linux-kernel - Re: Problems loading firmware using built-in drivers with kernels that use initramfs.

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Message-ID: <CACVXFVMhhS1UNvK2KZJ4UUWL-H+OGy+Y4iLKSHtjsUry9rFrgw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:55:13 +0800
From:	Ming Lei <ming.lei@...onical.com>
To:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:	Liam Girdwood <liam.r.girdwood@...ux.intel.com>,
	"Jie, Yang" <yang.jie@...el.com>, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@...e.de>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@...il.com>,
	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@...e.com>,
	"joonas.lahtinen@...ux.intel.com" <joonas.lahtinen@...ux.intel.com>,
	Tom Gundersen <teg@...m.no>, Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Kay Sievers <kay@...y.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
	Luis Rodriguez <mcgrof@...not-panic.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	yalin wang <yalin.wang2010@...il.com>
Subject: Re: Problems loading firmware using built-in drivers with kernels
 that use initramfs.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Liam Girdwood
> <liam.r.girdwood@...ux.intel.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think the options are to either :-
>>
>> 1) Don not support audio DSP drivers using topology data as built-in
>> drivers. Audio is not really a critical system required for booting
>> anyway.
>
> Yes, forcing it to be a module and not letting people compile it in by
> mistake (and then not have it work) is an option.
>
> That said, there are situations where people don't want to use
> modules. I used to eschew them for security reasons, for example - now
> I instead just do a one-time temporary key. But others may have other
> reasons to try to avoid modules.
>
>> 2) Create a default PCM for every driver that has topology data on the
>> assumption that every sound card will at least 1 PCM. This PCM can then
>> be re-configured when the FW is loaded.
>
> That would seem to be the better option if it is reasonably implementable.
>
> Of course, some kind of timer-based retry (limited *somehow*) of the
> fw loading could work too, but smells really really hacky.

Yeah, years ago, we discussed to use -EPROBE_DEFER for the situation,
which should be one kind of fix, but looks there were objections at that time.

thanks,
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