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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 12:19:45 +0200 From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com> To: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@...ux-mips.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org> Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>, Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>, X86 ML <x86@...nel.org>, "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, Brian Gerst <brgerst@...il.com> Subject: Re: Dealing with the NMI mess On 07/09/2015 10:19, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: >> > Essentially the ICE breakpoint instruction enters SMM mode? > I didn't do stuff at the probe firmware level so I can't say for sure, > but my gut feeling is the debug mode is indeed very close if not the same > as SMM. I think duplicating the logic would be an unnecessary waste of > silicon. I researched SMM a bit recently in order to implement it in KVM, and the best source of folklore seems to be http://www.rcollins.org/ddj (which I also have on paper :)). The author there says that SMM design was roughly based on the 386's probe/ICE mode design, but it's actually separate. Most notably, on the 386 the state save areas almost mirror each other, but when I say mirror... I do mean mirror: directions are reversed, and what is on top for probe mode is on bottom for SMM. :) In addition, AMD tried reusing ICE mode for SMM, and was sued by Intel who actually won the lawsuit. I couldn't find more information about the lawsuit. It's probably diverged more and more over time, for example because SMM is now considered security-sensitive while probe mode isn't. In addition, the same DDJ article says that Pentium JTAG probe mode "doesn't resemble SMM at all, doesn't use a state save map, or even execute any code of its own", whatever that means. Paolo > And obviously it's any cause of #DB that enters this mode. The probe can > also request it right at the exit from the reset state, so that you can > debug software (e.g BIOS startup) right from the reset vector. You don't > need working RAM for that. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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