linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v7 03/11] task_isolation: support PR_TASK_ISOLATION

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Date:	Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:00:04 -0700
From:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@...hip.com>
Cc:	Gilad Ben Yossef <giladb@...hip.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux.com>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@...aro.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
	"linux-doc@...r.kernel.org" <linux-doc@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 03/11] task_isolation: support PR_TASK_ISOLATION_STRICT mode

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@...hip.com> wrote:
> On 09/29/2015 01:46 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@...hip.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, the most interesting category is things that don't actually
>>> trigger a signal (e.g. minor page fault) since those are things that
>>> cause significant issues with task isolation processes
>>> (kernel-induced jitter) but aren't otherwise user-visible,
>>> much like an undiscovered syscall in a third-party library
>>> can cause unexpected jitter.
>>
>> Would it make sense to exempt the exceptions that result in signals?
>> After all, those are detectable even without your patches.  Going
>> through all of the exception types:
>>
>> divide_error, overflow, invalid_op, coprocessor_segment_overrun,
>> invalid_TSS, segment_not_present, stack_segment, alignment_check:
>> these all send signals anyway.
>>
>> double_fault is fatal.
>>
>> bounds: MPX faults can be silently fixed up, and those will need
>> notification.  (Or user code should know not to do that, since it
>> requires an explicit opt in, and user code can flip it back off to get
>> the signals.)
>>
>> general_protection: always signals except in vm86 mode.
>>
>> int3: silently fixed if uprobes are in use, but I don't think
>> isolation cares about that.  Otherwise signals.
>>
>> debug: The perf hw_breakpoint can result in silent fixups, but those
>> require explicit opt-in from the admin.  Otherwise, unless there's a
>> bug or a debugger, the user will get a signal.  (As a practical
>> matter, the only interesting case is the undocumented ICEBP
>> instruction.)
>>
>> math_error, simd_coprocessor_error: Sends a signal.
>>
>> spurious_interrupt_bug: Irrelevant on any modern CPU AFAIK.  We should
>> just WARN if this hits.
>>
>> device_not_available: If you're using isolation without an FPU, you
>> have bigger problems.
>>
>> page_fault: Needs notification.
>>
>> NMI, MCE: arguably these should *not* notify or at least not fatally.
>>
>> So maybe a better approach would be to explicitly notify for the
>> relevant entries: IRQs, non-signalling page faults, and non-signalling
>> MPX fixups.  Other arches would have their own lists, but they're
>> probably also short except for emulated instructions.
>
>
> IRQs should get notified via the task_isolation_debug boot flag;
> the intent is that they should never get delivered to nohz_full
> cores anyway, so we produce a console backtrace if the boot
> flag is enabled.  This isn't tied to having a task running with
> TASK_ISOLATION enabled, since it just shouldn't ever happen.

OK, I like that.  In that case, maybe NMI and MCE should be in a
similar category.  (IOW if a non-fatal MCE happens and the debug param
is set, we could warn, assuming that anyone is willing to write the
code.  Doing printk from MCE is not entirely trivial, although it's
less bad in recent kernels.)

--Andy
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