Message-ID: <20151001075037.61c43f63@urahara>
Date:	Thu, 1 Oct 2015 07:50:37 -0700
From:	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@...workplumber.org>
To:	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
Cc:	hjk@...sjkoch.de, gregkh@...ux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, dev@...k.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] uio: new driver to support PCI MSI-X

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:33:06 +0300
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 03:28:58PM -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > This driver allows using PCI device with Message Signalled Interrupt
> > from userspace. The API is similar to the igb_uio driver used by the DPDK.
> > Via ioctl it provides a mechanism to map MSI-X interrupts into event
> > file descriptors similar to VFIO.
> >
> > VFIO is a better choice if IOMMU is available, but often userspace drivers
> > have to work in environments where IOMMU support (real or emulated) is
> > not available.  All UIO drivers that support DMA are not secure against
> > rogue userspace applications programming DMA hardware to access
> > private memory; this driver is no less secure than existing code.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@...workplumber.org>
> 
> I don't think copying the igb_uio interface is a good idea.
> What DPDK is doing with igb_uio (and indeed uio_pci_generic)
> is abusing the sysfs BAR access to provide unlimited
> access to hardware.
> 
> MSI messages are memory writes so any generic device capable
> of MSI is capable of corrupting kernel memory.
> This means that a bug in userspace will lead to kernel memory corruption
> and crashes.  This is something distributions can't support.
> 
> uio_pci_generic is already abused like that, mostly
> because when I wrote it, I didn't add enough protections
> against using it with DMA capable devices,
> and we can't go back and break working userspace.
> But at least it does not bind to VFs which all of
> them are capable of DMA.
> 
> The result of merging this driver will be userspace abusing the
> sysfs BAR access with VFs as well, and we do not want that.
> 
> 
> Just forwarding events is not enough to make a valid driver.
> What is missing is a way to access the device in a safe way.
> 
> On a more positive note:
> 
> What would be a reasonable interface? One that does the following
> in kernel:
> 
> 1. initializes device rings (can be in pinned userspace memory,
>    but can not be writeable by userspace), brings up interface link
> 2. pins userspace memory (unless using e.g. hugetlbfs)
> 3. gets request, make sure it's valid and belongs to
>    the correct task, put it in the ring
> 4. in the reverse direction, notify userspace when buffers
>    are available in the ring
> 5. notify userspace about MSI (what this driver does)
> 
> What userspace can be allowed to do:
> 
> 	format requests (e.g. transmit, receive) in userspace
> 	read ring contents
> 
> What userspace can't be allowed to do:
> 
> 	access BAR
> 	write rings
> 
> 
> This means that the driver can not be a generic one,
> and there will be a system call overhead when you
> write the ring, but that's the price you have to
> pay for ability to run on systems without an IOMMU.

I think I understand what you are proposing, but it really doesn't
fit into the high speed userspace networking model.

1. Device rings are device specific, can't be in a generic driver.
2. DPDK uses huge mememory.
3. Performance requires all ring requests be done in pure userspace,
   (ie no syscalls)
4. Ditto, can't have kernel to userspace notification per packet

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