linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2] barriers: introduce smp_mb__release

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Message-ID: <20151021082452.GC2881@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net>
Date:	Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:24:52 +0200
From:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc:	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>,
	linux-arch@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Anton Blanchard <anton@...ba.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
	linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] barriers: introduce smp_mb__release_acquire and
 update documentation

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 04:34:51PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> There is also the question of whether the barrier forces ordering
> of unrelated stores, everything initially zero and all accesses
> READ_ONCE() or WRITE_ONCE():
> 
> 	P0		P1		P2		P3
> 	X = 1;		Y = 1;		r1 = X;		r3 = Y;
> 					some_barrier();	some_barrier();
> 					r2 = Y;		r4 = X;
> 
> P2's and P3's ordering could be globally visible without requiring
> P0's and P1's independent stores to be ordered, for example, if you
> used smp_rmb() for some_barrier().  In contrast, if we used smp_mb()
> for barrier, everyone would agree on the order of P0's and P0's stores.

Oh!?

> There are actually a fair number of different combinations of
> aspects of memory ordering.  We will need to choose wisely.  ;-)
> 
> My hope is that the store-ordering gets folded into the globally
> visible transitive level.  Especially given that I have not (yet)
> seen any algorithms used in production that relied on the ordering of
> independent stores.

I would hope not, that's quite insane.
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