linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH V7] mm: memory hot-add: memory can not be added to movable zone defaultly

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Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:36:26 -0700 (PDT)
From:	Yasuaki Ishimatsu <yasu.isimatu@...il.com>
To:	Tang Chen <tangchen@...fujitsu.com>
Cc:	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>,
	Changsheng Liu <liuchangsheng@...pur.com>,
	<akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, <isimatu.yasuaki@...fujitsu.com>,
	<linux-mm@...ck.org>, <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	<wangnan0@...wei.com>, <dave.hansen@...el.com>,
	<yinghai@...nel.org>, <toshi.kani@...com>, <qiuxishi@...wei.com>,
	<wunan@...pur.com>, <yanxiaofeng@...pur.com>, <fandd@...pur.com>,
	Changsheng Liu <liuchangcheng@...pur.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V7] mm: memory hot-add: memory can not be added to
 movable zone defaultly


On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:18:36 +0800
Tang Chen <tangchen@...fujitsu.com> wrote:

> 
> On 10/21/2015 05:00 PM, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> > On 10/21/2015 04:20 AM, Changsheng Liu wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> 在 2015/10/15 0:18, Vlastimil Babka 写道:
> >>> On 10/12/2015 08:58 AM, Changsheng Liu wrote:
> >>>> From: Changsheng Liu <liuchangcheng@...pur.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> After the user config CONFIG_MOVABLE_NODE,
> >>>> When the memory is hot added, should_add_memory_movable() return 0
> >>>> because all zones including ZONE_MOVABLE are empty,
> >>>> so the memory that was hot added will be assigned to ZONE_NORMAL
> >>>> and ZONE_NORMAL will be created firstly.
> >>>> But we want the whole node to be added to ZONE_MOVABLE by default.
> >>>>
> >>>> So we change should_add_memory_movable(): if the user config
> >>>> CONFIG_MOVABLE_NODE and sysctl parameter hotadd_memory_as_movable is 1
> >>>> and the ZONE_NORMAL is empty or the pfn of the hot-added memory
> >>>> is after the end of the ZONE_NORMAL it will always return 1
> >>>> and then the whole node will be added to ZONE_MOVABLE by default.
> >>>> If we want the node to be assigned to ZONE_NORMAL,
> >>>> we can do it as follows:
> >>>> "echo online_kernel > /sys/devices/system/memory/memoryXXX/state"
> >>>>
> >>>> By the patch, the behavious of kernel is changed by sysctl,
> >>>> user can automatically create movable memory
> >>>> by only the following udev rule:
> >>>> SUBSYSTEM=="memory", ACTION=="add",
> >>>> ATTR{state}=="offline", ATTR{state}="online"
> >>       I'm sorry for replying you so late due to the busy business trip.
> >>> So just to be clear, we are adding a new sysctl, because the existing
> >>> movable_node kernel option, which is checked by 
> >>> movable_node_is_enabled(), and
> >>> does the same thing for non-hot-added-memory (?) cannot be reused 
> >>> for hot-added
> >>> memory, as that would be a potentially surprising behavior change? 
> >>> Correct? Then
> >>> this should be mentioned in the changelog too, and wherever 
> >>> "movable_node" is
> >>> documented should also mention the new sysctl. Personally, I would 
> >>> expect
> >>> movable_node to affect hot-added memory as well, and would be 
> >>> surprised that it
> >>> doesn't...
> >>       I think it can let the user decides when to use this feature.
> >>       The user can enable the feature when making the hot_added memory
> >> of a node movable and
> >>       make the feature disable to assign the hot_added memory of the 
> >> next
> >> node to ZONE_NORMAL .
> >
> > So you mean sysctl is more flexible than boot option. OK, but wasn't 
> > such flexibility already provided by "echo online_kernel" vs "echo 
> > online_movable"? It doesn't sound like a strong reason for a new 
> > sysctl? Not doing surprising behavior change maybe does...
> > .
> >
> Hi Vlastimil,
> 
> The current kernel will add hot-added memory to ZONE_NORMAL by default. 
> If users use a udev rule as below:
> 
> SUBSYSTEM=="memory", ACTION=="add", ATTR{state}=="offline", ATTR{state}="online"
> 
> it will online the memory as normal memory, which will not be hotpluggable.
> 
> Please refer to: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/10/9/58
> 
> I think this is the root motivation of the patch.
> 

> But BTW, I'm quite familiar with udev rules, but can something like this 
> work ?
> 
> SUBSYSTEM=="memory", ACTION=="add", ATTR{state}=="offline", ATTR{state}="online_movable"
> 
> I'm not sure. I added Ishimatu in.

I think the udev rules fails to online memory as movable.

When hot adding memory, the memory is managed as ZONE_NORMAL.
And add events of memory section are notified to udev in ascending
order, like 0->1->2->3. Thus udev starts to online memory from section 0.
But to change zone from ZONE_NORMAL to ZONE_MOVALBE, udev onlines memory
in descending order, like 3->2->1->0. So the udev rules cannot online
memory as movable.

Thanks,
Yasuaki Ishimatsu

> 
> For now, I think, if the above rule works, we don't need this patch. If 
> not, maybe we should just change the kernel behavior to make the 
> hot-added memory be added to ZONE_MOVABLE by default.
> 
> I don't have objection. But a sysctl doesn't sound necessary.



> 
> Thanks.
> 
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