linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 5/5] block: enable dax for raw block devices

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Message-ID: <CAPcyv4hjGYYPRyPjZc3CymmnSObB7mULRbeMZFjnKdoCD_m7pw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:48:06 +0900
From:	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
To:	Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>
Cc:	Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"jmoyer@...hat.com" <jmoyer@...hat.com>, "hch@....de" <hch@....de>,
	"axboe@...com" <axboe@...com>,
	"akpm@...ux-foundation.org" <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org>,
	"willy@...ux.intel.com" <willy@...ux.intel.com>,
	"ross.zwisler@...ux.intel.com" <ross.zwisler@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] block: enable dax for raw block devices

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 6:22 AM, Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:08:18PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
>> Ugh2: Now I realized that DAX mmap isn't safe wrt fs freezing even for
>> filesystems since there's nothing which writeprotects pages that are
>> writeably mapped. In normal path, page writeback does this but that doesn't
>> happen for DAX. I remember we once talked about this but it got lost.
>> We need something like walk all filesystem inodes during fs freeze and
>> writeprotect all pages that are mapped. But that's going to be slow...
>
> fsync() has the same problem - we have no record of the pages that
> need to be committed and then write protected when fsync() is called
> after write()...

I know Ross is still working on that implementation.  However, I had a
thought on the flight to ksummit that maybe we shouldn't worry about
tracking dirty state on a per-page basis.  For small / frequent
synchronizations an application really should be using the nvml
library [1] to issue cache flushes and pcommit from userspace on a
per-cacheline basis.  That leaves unmodified apps that want to be
correct in the presence of dax mappings.  Two things we can do to
mitigate that case:

1/ Make DAX mappings opt-in with a new MMAP_DAX (page-cache bypass)
flag.  Applications shouldn't silently become incorrect simply because
the fs is mounted with -o dax.  If an app doesn't understand DAX
mappings it should get page-cache semantics.  This also protects apps
that are not expecting DAX semantics on raw block device mappings.

2/ Even if we get a new flag that lets the kernel know the app
understands DAX mappings, we shouldn't leave fsync broken.  Can we
instead get by with a simple / big hammer solution?  I.e.

    on_each_cpu(sync_cache, ...);

...where sync_cache is something like:

    cache_disable();
    wbinvd();
    pcommit();
    cache_enable();

Disruptive, yes, but if an app cares about efficient persistent memory
synchronization fsync is already the wrong api.
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