linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3 02/15] dax: increase granularity of dax_clear

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Date:	Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:31:11 -0800
From:	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
To:	Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>
Cc:	Jens Axboe <axboe@...com>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>,
	"linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@...hat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@...ux.intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/15] dax: increase granularity of dax_clear_blocks() operations

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 07:27:26PM -0800, Dan Williams wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Nov 01, 2015 at 11:29:53PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
>> > The zeroing (and the data, for that matter) doesn't need to be
>> > committed to persistent store until the allocation is written and
>> > committed to the journal - that will happen with a REQ_FLUSH|REQ_FUA
>> > write, so it makes sense to deploy the big hammer and delay the
>> > blocking CPU cache flushes until the last possible moment in cases
>> > like this.
>>
>> In pmem terms that would be a non-temporal memset plus a delayed
>> wmb_pmem at REQ_FLUSH time.  Better to write around the cache than
>> loop over the dirty-data issuing flushes after the fact.  We'll bump
>> the priority of the non-temporal memset implementation.
>
> Why is it better to do two synchronous physical writes to memory
> within a couple of microseconds of CPU time rather than writing them
> through the cache and, in most cases, only doing one physical write
> to memory in a separate context that expects to wait for a flush
> to complete?

With a switch to non-temporal writes they wouldn't be synchronous,
although it's doubtful that the subsequent writes after zeroing would
also hit the store buffer.

If we had a method to flush by physical-cache-way rather than a
virtual address then it would indeed be better to save up for one
final flush, but when we need to resort to looping through all the
virtual addresses that might have touched it gets expensive.
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