linux-kernel - Re: kdbus refactoring?

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Message-ID: <yw1xd1vj5c3p.fsf@unicorn.mansr.com>
Date:	Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:14:34 +0000
From:	Måns Rullgård <mans@...sr.com>
To:	Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
Cc:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@...ndz.org>,
	"systemd-devel\@lists.freedesktop.org" 
	<systemd-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel\@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	Havoc Pennington <havoc.pennington@...il.com>
Subject: Re: kdbus refactoring?

Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org> writes:

> On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 05:02:45PM +0000, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>> Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> writes:
>> 
>> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, Nov 08, 2015 at 10:39:43PM +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org> wrote:
>> >>> > On Sun, Nov 08, 2015 at 10:06:31PM +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>> >>> >> Hi all,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> after reading on the removal of kdbus from Rawhide[1] I've searched
>> >>> >> the mailinglist archives for more details but didn't find anything.
>> >>> >> So, what are your plans?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kernel/2015-October/006011.html
>> >>> >
>> >>> > As that link said, based on the result of the code being in Rawhide, it
>> >>> > is now being reworked / redesigned.  The result will be posted for
>> >>> > review "when it's ready".
>> >>>
>> >>> If you rework/redesign something you have to know what you want to change.
>> >>> That's why I was asking for the plan...
>> >>
>> >> Since when do people post "plans" or "design documents" on lkml without
>> >> real code?  Again, code will be posted when it's ready, like any other
>> >> kernel submission.
>> >
>> > I ask for feedback on ideas and designs on a fairly regular basis.  I
>> > even frequently get valuable feedback :)
>> >
>> > I would like to think that the kernel community would have something
>> > of value to add to the process of designing and implementing a major
>> > new IPC mechanism.
>> 
>> The "trust us, we'll show it when it's ready" attitude reminds me of the
>> controversial TPP and TTIP negotiations.
>
> Ok, that's just trolling, cut it out.
>
> When something is even in the "hey look, it works, here's the big
> changes from last time", we will of course post it, but right now,
> things are being totally revisited based on the feedback we have
> received so far.  Give people a chance to recover from conferences and
> then get back to work...

If there are public discussions about it elsewhere, you could have
simply pointed at those instead being condescending.

-- 
Måns Rullgård
mans@...sr.com
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