linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 4/4] locking: Introduce smp_cond

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Message-ID: <20151112234351.GO3972@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:	Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:43:51 -0800
From:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>
Cc:	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>, mingo@...nel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, corbet@....net, mhocko@...nel.org,
	dhowells@...hat.com, torvalds@...ux-foundation.org,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] locking: Introduce smp_cond_acquire()

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 09:33:39PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:59:06AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 08:33:02PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > On 11/12, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 07:38:07PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > > > It seems that PPC needs to define smp_mb__before_spinlock() as full mb(),
> > > > > no?
> > > >
> > > > It does:
> > > >
> > > > arch/powerpc/include/asm/barrier.h:#define smp_mb__before_spinlock() smp_mb()
> > > 
> > > Ah, indeed, thanks.
> > > 
> > > And given that it also defines smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() as smp_mb(),
> > > I am starting to understand how it can help to avoid the races with
> > > spin_unlock_wait() in (for example) do_exit().
> > > 
> > > But as Boqun has already mentioned, this means that mb__after_unlock_lock()
> > > has the new meaning which should be documented.
> > > 
> > > Hmm. And 12d560f4 "Privatize smp_mb__after_unlock_lock()" should be reverted
> > > then ;)
> > 
> > Surprisingly, this reverts cleanly against today's mainline, please see
> > the patch below.  Against my -rcu stack, not so much, but so it goes.  ;-)
> 
> I think we ended up concluding that smp_mb__after_unlock_lock is indeed
> required, but I don't think we should just resurrect the old definition,
> which doesn't keep UNLOCK -> LOCK distinct from RELEASE -> ACQUIRE. I'm
> still working on documenting the different types of transitivity that we
> identified in that thread, but it's slow going.
> 
> Also, as far as spin_unlock_wait is concerned, it is neither a LOCK or
> an UNLOCK and this barrier doesn't offer us anything. Sure, it might
> work because PPC defines it as smp_mb(), but it doesn't help on arm64
> and defining the macro is overkill for us in most places (i.e. RCU).
> 
> If we decide that the current usage of spin_unlock_wait is valid, then I
> would much rather implement a version of it in the arm64 backend that
> does something like:
> 
>  1:  ldrex r1, [&lock]
>      if r1 indicates that lock is taken, branch back to 1b
>      strex r1, [&lock]
>      if store failed, branch back to 1b
> 
> i.e. we don't just test the lock, but we also write it back atomically
> if we discover that it's free. That would then clear the exclusive monitor
> on any cores in the process of taking the lock and restore the ordering
> that we need.

We could clearly do something similar in PowerPC, but I suspect that this
would hurt really badly on large systems, given that there are PowerPC
systems with more than a thousand hardware threads.  So one approach
is ARM makes spin_unlock_wait() do the write, similar to spin_lock();
spin_lock(), but PowerPC relies on smp_mb__after_unlock_lock().

Or does someone have a better proposal?

							Thanx, Paul

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