linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3 01/17] mm: support madvise(MADV

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Message-ID: <20151113070356.GG5235@bbox>
Date:	Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:03:56 +0900
From:	Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org>
To:	Daniel Micay <danielmicay@...il.com>
CC:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@...ck.org" <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@...il.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	Jason Evans <je@...com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@...temov.name>,
	Shaohua Li <shli@...nel.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.cz>,
	yalin wang <yalin.wang2010@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/17] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE)

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 01:45:52AM -0500, Daniel Micay wrote:
> > And now I am thinking if we use access bit, we could implment MADV_FREE_UNDO
> > easily when we need it. Maybe, that's what you want. Right?
> 
> Yes, but why the access bit instead of the dirty bit for that? It could
> always be made more strict (i.e. access bit) in the future, while going
> the other way won't be possible. So I think the dirty bit is really the
> more conservative choice since if it turns out to be a mistake it can be
> fixed without a backwards incompatible change.

Absolutely true. That's why I insist on dirty bit until now although
I didn't tell the reason. But I thought you wanted to change for using
access bit for the future, too. It seems MADV_FREE start to bloat
over and over again before knowing real problems and usecases.
It's almost same situation with volatile ranges so I really want to
stop at proper point which maintainer should decide, I hope.
Without it, we will make the feature a lot heavy by just brain storming
and then causes lots of churn in MM code without real bebenfit
It would be very painful for us.
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