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Message-ID: <20160105144842-mutt-send-email-mst@redhat.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 15:04:43 +0200 From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com> To: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@...ibm.com> Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>, linux-arch@...r.kernel.org, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@...rix.com>, virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org, Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@...citrix.com>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, linux-ia64@...r.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org, linux-s390@...r.kernel.org, sparclinux@...r.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-metag@...r.kernel.org, linux-mips@...ux-mips.org, x86@...nel.org, user-mode-linux-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net, adi-buildroot-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net, linux-sh@...r.kernel.org, linux-xtensa@...ux-xtensa.org, xen-devel@...ts.xenproject.org, Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@...ibm.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>, Davidlohr Bueso <dave@...olabs.net>, Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@...ibm.com>, Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@...gle.com>, Carsten Otte <cotte@...ibm.com>, Christian Ehrhardt <ehrhardt@...ibm.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 22/32] s390: define __smp_xxx On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 01:08:52PM +0100, Martin Schwidefsky wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 11:30:19 +0200 > "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 09:13:19AM +0100, Martin Schwidefsky wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 22:18:58 +0200 > > > "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 02:45:25PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 09:08:38PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > > > > > This defines __smp_xxx barriers for s390, > > > > > > for use by virtualization. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some smp_xxx barriers are removed as they are > > > > > > defined correctly by asm-generic/barriers.h > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: smp_mb, smp_rmb and smp_wmb are defined as full barriers > > > > > > unconditionally on this architecture. > > > > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@...hat.com> > > > > > > Acked-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de> > > > > > > --- > > > > > > arch/s390/include/asm/barrier.h | 15 +++++++++------ > > > > > > 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-) > > > > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/arch/s390/include/asm/barrier.h b/arch/s390/include/asm/barrier.h > > > > > > index c358c31..fbd25b2 100644 > > > > > > --- a/arch/s390/include/asm/barrier.h > > > > > > +++ b/arch/s390/include/asm/barrier.h > > > > > > @@ -26,18 +26,21 @@ > > > > > > #define wmb() barrier() > > > > > > #define dma_rmb() mb() > > > > > > #define dma_wmb() mb() > > > > > > -#define smp_mb() mb() > > > > > > -#define smp_rmb() rmb() > > > > > > -#define smp_wmb() wmb() > > > > > > - > > > > > > -#define smp_store_release(p, v) \ > > > > > > +#define __smp_mb() mb() > > > > > > +#define __smp_rmb() rmb() > > > > > > +#define __smp_wmb() wmb() > > > > > > +#define smp_mb() __smp_mb() > > > > > > +#define smp_rmb() __smp_rmb() > > > > > > +#define smp_wmb() __smp_wmb() > > > > > > > > > > Why define the smp_*mb() primitives here? Would not the inclusion of > > > > > asm-generic/barrier.h do this? > > > > > > > > No because the generic one is a nop on !SMP, this one isn't. > > > > > > > > Pls note this patch is just reordering code without making > > > > functional changes. > > > > And at the moment, on s390 smp_xxx barriers are always non empty. > > > > > > The s390 kernel is SMP to 99.99%, we just didn't bother with a > > > non-smp variant for the memory-barriers. If the generic header > > > is used we'd get the non-smp version for free. It will save a > > > small amount of text space for CONFIG_SMP=n. > > > > OK, so I'll queue a patch to do this then? > > Yes please. OK, I'll add a patch on top in v3. > > Just to make sure: the question would be, are smp_xxx barriers ever used > > in s390 arch specific code to flush in/out memory accesses for > > synchronization with the hypervisor? > > > > I went over s390 arch code and it seems to me the answer is no > > (except of course for virtio). > > Correct. Guest to host communication either uses instructions which > imply a memory barrier or QDIO which uses atomics. And atomics imply a barrier on s390, right? > > But I also see a lot of weirdness on this architecture. > > Mostly historical, s390 actually is one of the easiest architectures in > regard to memory barriers. > > > I found these calls: > > > > arch/s390/include/asm/bitops.h: smp_mb__before_atomic(); > > arch/s390/include/asm/bitops.h: smp_mb(); > > > > Not used in arch specific code so this is likely OK. > > This has been introduced with git commit 5402ea6af11dc5a9, the smp_mb > and smp_mb__before_atomic are used in clear_bit_unlock and > __clear_bit_unlock which are 1:1 copies from the code in > include/asm-generic/bitops/lock.h. Only test_and_set_bit_lock differs > from the generic implementation. something to keep in mind, but I'd rather not touch bitops at the moment - this patchset is already too big. > > arch/s390/kernel/vdso.c: smp_mb(); > > > > Looking at > > Author: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@...ibm.com> > > Date: Fri Sep 11 16:23:06 2015 +0200 > > > > s390/vdso: use correct memory barrier > > > > By definition smp_wmb only orders writes against writes. (Finish all > > previous writes, and do not start any future write). To protect the > > vdso init code against early reads on other CPUs, let's use a full > > smp_mb at the end of vdso init. As right now smp_wmb is implemented > > as full serialization, this needs no stable backport, but this change > > will be necessary if we reimplement smp_wmb. > > > > ok from hypervisor point of view, but it's also strange: > > 1. why isn't this paired with another mb somewhere? > > this seems to violate barrier pairing rules. > > 2. how does smp_mb protect against early reads on other CPUs? > > It normally does not: it orders reads from this CPU versus writes > > from same CPU. But init code does not appear to read anything. > > Maybe this is some s390 specific trick? > > > > I could not figure out the above commit. > > That smp_mb can be removed. The initial s390 vdso code is heavily influenced > by the powerpc version which does have a smp_wmb in vdso_init right before > the vdso_ready=1 assignment. s390 has no need for that. > > > > > arch/s390/kvm/kvm-s390.c: smp_mb(); > > > > Does not appear to be paired with anything. > > This one does not make sense to me. Imho can be removed as well. > > > arch/s390/lib/spinlock.c: smp_mb(); > > arch/s390/lib/spinlock.c: smp_mb(); > > > > Seems ok, and appears paired properly. > > Just to make sure - spinlock is not paravirtualized on s390, is it? > > s390 just uses the compare-and-swap instruction for the basic lock/unlock > operation, this implies the memory barrier. We do call the hypervisor for > contended locks if the lock can not be acquired after a number of retries. > > A while ago we did play with ticket spinlocks but they behaved badly in > out usual virtualized environments. If we find the time we might take a > closer look at the para-virtualized queued spinlocks. > > > rch/s390/kernel/time.c: smp_wmb(); > > arch/s390/kernel/time.c: smp_wmb(); > > arch/s390/kernel/time.c: smp_wmb(); > > arch/s390/kernel/time.c: smp_wmb(); > > > > It's all around vdso, so I'm guessing userspace is using this, > > this is why there's no pairing. > > Correct, this is the update count mechanics with the vdso user space code. > > > > > Some of this could be sub-optimal, but > > > > since on s390 Linux always runs on a hypervisor, > > > > I am not sure it's safe to use the generic version - > > > > in other words, it just might be that for s390 smp_ and virt_ > > > > barriers must be equivalent. > > > > > > The definition of the memory barriers is independent from the fact > > > if the system is running on an hypervisor or not. > > > Is there really > > > an architecture where you need special virt_xxx barriers?!? > > > > It is whenever host and guest or two guests access memory at > > the same time. > > > > The optimization where smp_xxx barriers are compiled out when > > CONFIG_SMP is cleared means that two UP guests running > > on an SMP host can not use smp_xxx barriers for communication. > > > > See explanation here: > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.virtualization/26555 > > Got it, makes sense. An ack would be appreciated. > -- > blue skies, > Martin. > > "Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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