linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] README: remove LILO

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Date:	Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:47:00 -0200
From:	Diego Viola <diego.viola@...il.com>
To:	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, trivial@...nel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] README: remove LILO

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Diego Viola <diego.viola@...il.com> wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 02:57:16 -0200
>> Diego Viola <diego.viola@...il.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Remove LILO from the README in order to keep the booting section
>>> agnostic.  LILO development has also officially stopped.
>>
>> I know I mentioned LILO before, but LILO is really a symptom of the problem
>> here and not the problem itself.  The real problem is that this document
>> doesn't really reflect how things are done on most systems; simply excising
>> mentions of LILO doesn't really fix that.
>>
>
> I completely agree.
>
>> Or, for example:
>>
>>> +   The kernel image file is usually /vmlinuz, /boot/vmlinuz, /bzImage or
>>> +   /boot/bzImage.  To use the new kernel, save a copy of the old image and copy
>>> +   the new image over the old one.
>>
>> Do you have any of those files on your system?  I think that kernels in the
>> root are quite scarce anymore, and most of them don't have such simple
>> names.  I would love to see all this fixed, but making it look updated
>> without doing the job properly doesn't really help our users much, I think.
>>
>
> I don't have those files on my system anymore, I have
> /boot/vmlinuz-linux and /boot/initramfs-linux.img but then again I'm
> on Arch Linux.
>
> I didn't want to document how every possible distro handles kernel
> installs because that would be insane, there are too many distros and
> the document would be too big.
>
> So I want to keep that section as generic as possible, but still
> useful enough for users.
>
> How about if we replace that line with something like this:
>
> "All modern bootloaders are prepared to understand modern filesystems,
> so there is no longer any need for special names, symlinks, mapfiles,
> or explicit regeneration of block offsets. You can call your new
> kernel whatever you want & put it wherever your chosen bootloader can
> find it"
>
> Do you have any better ideas? I'm happy to send another patch, but I
> also need your help as English isn't my native language.
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> jon
>
> Thanks,
>
> Diego

Ping?

Jonathan, do you have more feedback on this?

Is the statement I suggested above not enough to replace the LILO section with?

Thanks,
Diego