linux-kernel - Re: [v3,11/41] mips: reuse asm-generic/barrier.h

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <20160127083905.GK6357@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>
Date:	Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:39:05 +0100
From:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc:	Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
	Leonid Yegoshin <Leonid.Yegoshin@...tec.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
	linux-arch@...r.kernel.org,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@...rix.com>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@....linux.org.uk>,
	virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@...citrix.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	Joe Perches <joe@...ches.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, linux-ia64@...r.kernel.org,
	linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org, linux-s390@...r.kernel.org,
	sparclinux@...r.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
	linux-metag@...r.kernel.org, linux-mips@...ux-mips.org,
	x86@...nel.org, user-mode-linux-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net,
	adi-buildroot-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net,
	linux-sh@...r.kernel.org, linux-xtensa@...ux-xtensa.org,
	xen-devel@...ts.xenproject.org, Ralf Baechle <ralf@...ux-mips.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>, ddaney.cavm@...il.com,
	james.hogan@...tec.com, Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>
Subject: Re: [v3,11/41] mips: reuse asm-generic/barrier.h

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:13:39PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:19:27AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> > So isn't smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() exactly such a scenario? And would
> > not someone trying to implement RCsc locks using locally transitive
> > RELEASE/ACQUIRE operations need exactly this stuff?
> > 
> > That is, I am afraid we need to cover the mix of local and global
> > transitive operations at least in overview.
> 
> True, but we haven't gotten to locking yet.

The mythical smp_mb__after_release_acquire() then ;-)

(and yes, I know you're going to say we don't have that)

> That said, I would argue
> that smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() upgrades locks to transitive, and
> thus would not be an exception to the "no combining transitive and
> non-transitive steps in cycles" rule.

But But But ;-) It does that exactly by combining. I suspect this is
(partly) the source of your SC chains with one PC link example.