linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/3] cpufreq: Replace timers with utilization update callbacks

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Message-ID: <20160210160554.GH11415@e106622-lin>
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:05:54 +0000
From:	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@....com>
To:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org>
Cc:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...ysocki.net>,
	Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@...aro.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@...ux.intel.com>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@...aro.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] cpufreq: Replace timers with utilization update
 callbacks

On 10/02/16 16:46, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@....com> wrote:
> > On 10/02/16 15:26, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@....com> wrote:
> >> > On 10/02/16 14:23, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@....com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hi Rafael,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 09/02/16 21:05, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > [...]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> +/**
> >> >> >> + * cpufreq_update_util - Take a note about CPU utilization changes.
> >> >> >> + * @util: Current utilization.
> >> >> >> + * @max: Utilization ceiling.
> >> >> >> + *
> >> >> >> + * This function is called by the scheduler on every invocation of
> >> >> >> + * update_load_avg() on the CPU whose utilization is being updated.
> >> >> >> + */
> >> >> >> +void cpufreq_update_util(unsigned long util, unsigned long max)
> >> >> >> +{
> >> >> >> +     struct update_util_data *data;
> >> >> >> +
> >> >> >> +     rcu_read_lock();
> >> >> >> +
> >> >> >> +     data = rcu_dereference(*this_cpu_ptr(&cpufreq_update_util_data));
> >> >> >> +     if (data && data->func)
> >> >> >> +             data->func(data, cpu_clock(smp_processor_id()), util, max);
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are util and max used anywhere?
> >> >>
> >> >> They aren't yet, but they will be.
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe not in this cycle (it it takes too much time to integrate the
> >> >> preliminary changes), but we definitely are going to use those
> >> >> numbers.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Oh OK. However, I was under the impression that this set was only
> >> > proposing a way to get rid of timers and use the scheduler as heartbeat
> >> > for cpufreq governors. The governors' sample based approach wouldn't
> >> > change, though. Am I wrong in assuming this?
> >>
> >> Your assumption is correct.
> >>
> >
> > In this case. Wouldn't be possible to simply put the kicks in
> > sched/core.c? scheduler_tick() seems a good candidate for that, and you
> > could complement that with enqueue/dequeue/etc., if needed.
> 
> That can be done, but they are not needed for things like idle and
> stop, are they?
> 

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand you here. In a NO_HZ system tick will
be stopped when idle.

> > I'm actually wondering if a slow CONFIG_HZ might affect governors'
> > sampling rate. We might have scheduler tick firing every 40ms and
> > sampling rate set to 10 or 20ms, don't we?
> 
> The smallest HZ you can get from the standard config is 100.  That
> would translate to an update every 10ms roughly if my understanding of
> things is correct.
> 

Right. Please, forget my question above :).

> Also I think that the scheduler and cpufreq should really work at the
> same pace as they affect each other in any case.
> 

Makes sense yes.

> >> The sample-based approach doesn't change at this time, simply to avoid
> >> making too many changes in one go.
> >>
> >> The next step, as I'm seeing it, would be to use the
> >> scheduler-provided utilization in the governor computations instead of
> >> the load estimation made by governors themselves.
> >>
> >
> > OK. But, I'm not sure what does this buy us. If the end goal is still to
> > do sampling, aren't we better off using the (1 - idle) estimation as
> > today?
> 
> First of all, we can avoid the need to compute this number entirely if
> we use the scheduler-provided one.
> 
> Second, what if we come up with a different idea about the CPU
> utilization than the scheduler has?  Who's right then?
> 
> Finally, the way this number is currently computed by cpufreq is based
> on some questionable heuristics (and not just in one place), so maybe
> it's better to stop doing that?
> 
> Also I didn't say that the *final* goal would be to do sampling.  I
> was talking about the next step. :-)
> 

Oh, this changes things indeed. :)

Thanks,

- Juri