linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] mm: scale kswapd watermarks in proportion to memory

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Message-ID: <20160219202000.GB17342@cmpxchg.org>
Date:	Fri, 19 Feb 2016 15:20:00 -0500
From:	Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>
To:	Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>
Cc:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, kernel-team@...com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: scale kswapd watermarks in proportion to memory

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 11:25:43AM +0000, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:41:59AM -0500, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > In machines with 140G of memory and enterprise flash storage, we have
> > seen read and write bursts routinely exceed the kswapd watermarks and
> > cause thundering herds in direct reclaim. Unfortunately, the only way
> > to tune kswapd aggressiveness is through adjusting min_free_kbytes -
> > the system's emergency reserves - which is entirely unrelated to the
> > system's latency requirements. In order to get kswapd to maintain a
> > 250M buffer of free memory, the emergency reserves need to be set to
> > 1G. That is a lot of memory wasted for no good reason.
> > 
> > On the other hand, it's reasonable to assume that allocation bursts
> > and overall allocation concurrency scale with memory capacity, so it
> > makes sense to make kswapd aggressiveness a function of that as well.
> > 
> > Change the kswapd watermark scale factor from the currently fixed 25%
> > of the tunable emergency reserve to a tunable 0.001% of memory.
> > 
> > On a 140G machine, this raises the default watermark steps - the
> > distance between min and low, and low and high - from 16M to 143M.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>
> 
> Intuitively, the patch makes sense although Rik's comments should be
> addressed.
> 
> The caveat will be that there will be workloads that used to fit into
> memory without reclaim that now have kswapd activity. It might manifest
> as continual reclaim with some thrashing but it should only apply to
> workloads that are exactly sized to fit in memory which in my experience
> are relatively rare. It should be "obvious" when occurs at least.

This is a problem only in theory, I think, because I doubt anybody is
able to keep a workingset reliably at a margin of less than 0.001% of
memory. I'd expect few users to even go within single digit margins
without eventually thrashing anyway.

It certainly becomes a real issue when users tune the scale factor,
but then it will be a deliberate act with known consequences. That's
what I choose to believe in.

> Acked-by: Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>

Thanks!