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Date:	Thu, 25 Feb 2016 16:13:11 +1100
From:	Ross Green <rgkernel@...il.com>
To:	Paul McKenney <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
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	John Stultz <john.stultz@...aro.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
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Subject: Re: rcu_preempt self-detected stall on CPU from 4.5-rc3, since 3.17

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Ross Green <rgkernel@...il.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Paul E. McKenney
> <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 08:34:11PM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>>> ----- On Feb 21, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Ross Green rgkernel@...il.com wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Ross Green <rgkernel@...il.com> wrote:
>>> >> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Paul E. McKenney
>>> >> <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>>> >>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 03:34:30PM +1100, Ross Green wrote:
>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 4:33 AM, Paul E. McKenney
>>> >>>> <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 08:13:18PM -0800, John Stultz wrote:
>>> >>>> >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 7:56 PM, Ross Green <rgkernel@...il.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> > Well a bonus extra!
>>> >>>> >> > Kept everything running and there was another stall.
>>> >>>> >> > So i have included the demsg output for perusal.
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > Just to clear things up there is no hotplug involved in this system.
>>> >>>> >> > It is a standard Pandaboard ES Ti4460 two processor system.
>>> >>>> >> > I use this for testing as a generic armv7 processor, plus can keep it
>>> >>>> >> > just running along for testing for a long time. the system has a total
>>> >>>> >> > of 23-25 process running on average. Mainly standard daemons. There is
>>> >>>> >> > certainly no heavy processing going on. I run a series of benchmarks
>>> >>>> >> > that are cpu intensive for the first 20 miinutes after boot and then
>>> >>>> >> > just leave it idle away. checking every so often to see how it has
>>> >>>> >> > gone.
>>> >>>> >> > As mentioned I have observed these stalls going back to 3.17 kernel.
>>> >>>> >> > It will often take up to a week to record such a stall. I will
>>> >>>> >> > typically test every new release kernel, so the -rc? series will get
>>> >>>> >> > around a weeks testing.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> Sorry. Kind of hopping in a bit late here. Is this always happening
>>> >>>> >> with just the pandaboard? Or are you seeing this on different
>>> >>>> >> machines?
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> Have you tried enabling CONFIG_DEBUG_TIMEKEEPING just in case
>>> >>>> >> something is going awry there?
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Excellent point -- timekeeping issues have caused this sort of issue
>>> >>>> > in the past.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Ross, on your next test, could you please enable CONFIG_DEBUG_TIMEKEEPING
>>> >>>> > as John suggests?
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >                                                         Thanx, Paul
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> As John has suggested have already enabled CONFIG_DEBUG_TIMEKEEPING.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> So far just on 1 day running.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Sigh...!! Nothing to report as yet, only one day on the clock.
>>> >>>> Its like watching grass grow!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I hear you!  Though I was thinking in terms of watching paint dry...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>                                                         Thanx, Paul
>>> >>>
>>> >> Yes,
>>> >>
>>> >> but with paint drying there is an end point!
>>> >> Grass just keeps on growing ...
>>> >>
>>> >> More like the children in the back of the car ...
>>> >> Are we there yet? ...
>>> >>
>>> >> Well still nothing .. to report. I have just built a 4.5-rc5, but will
>>> >> wait till I get some outcome from the previous test. That can't be too
>>> >> much longer!
>>> >>
>>> >> In hope,
>>> >>
>>> >> Ross Green
>>> > Patience little ones ...
>>> >
>>> > Well after 2 days plus running pulled another stall.
>>> > This is with 4.5-rc4 and CONFIG_DEBUG_TIMEKEEPING set.
>>> >
>>> > Can't see anything related to the TIMEKEEPING.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway here is the dmesg output for people to look at.
>>> >
>>> > Paul, I was going to move onto 4.5-rc5 kernel, is there something else
>>> > that you want me to test with that, Anyone else have any suggestions
>>> > or ideas?
>>>
>>> Starting from kernel 3.17, if we request a e.g. 1000 jiffies schedule_timeout
>>> on a HZ=1000 kernel, is there an upper bound to the number of jiffies it
>>> can actually take before the timeout happens, especially on idle systems ?
>>> I remember a talk from Thomas Gleixner on the new timer wheel which could
>>> add some imprecision to those timeouts. Not sure in which kernel version it
>>> got in though.
>>>
>>> My thinking is that it might be a good idea to try using hrtimers rather than
>>> a jiffies-based timeout to awaken the RCU thread if it's really important to
>>> run in a bounded amount of jiffies. Or else the jiffies-based sanity check
>>> that triggers the warning is perhaps too strict.
>>
>> Some imprecision I could well understand.  21 seconds of imprecision
>> on a three-millisecond timeout I am having somewhat more difficulty
>> understanding.  ;-)
>>
>> But I would rather avoid hrtimers for the RCU grace-period kthread
>> because a few milliseconds of adjustment for energy-efficiency
>> reasons is a very good thing.
>>
>> Still working on getting decent traces...
>>
>>                                                         Thanx, Paul
>>
>
> G'day all,
>
> Here is another dmesg output for 4.5-rc5 showing another rcu_preempt stall.
> This one appeared after only a day of running. CONFIG_DEBUG_TIMING is
> turned on, but can't see any output that shows from this.
>
> Again testing as before,
>
> Boot, run a series of small benchmarks, then just let the system be
> and idle away.
>
> I notice in the stack trace there is mention of hrtimer_run_queues and
> hrtimer_interrupt.
>
> Anyway, leave this for a few more eyes to look at.
>
> Open to any other suggestions of things to test.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ross Green


G'day Paul,

I left the pandaboard running and captured another stall.

the attachment is the dmesg output.

Again there is no apparent output from any CONFIG_DEBUG_TIMING so I
assume there is nothing happening there.

I just saw the updates for 4.6 RCU code.
Is the patch in [PATCH tip/core/rcu 04/13] valid here?

do you want me try the new patch set with this configuration?

Regards,

Ross Green

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