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Date:	Tue, 1 Mar 2016 19:22:47 +0000
From:	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@....com>
To:	Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 3/3] PCI/ACPI: hisi: Add ACPI support for
 HiSilicon SoCs Host Controllers

Hi Bjorn,

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 01:59:12PM -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 12:07:50PM +0000, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 03:01:19AM +0000, Gabriele Paoloni wrote:

[...]

> > I do not understand how PNP0c02 works, currently, by the way.
> > 
> > If I read x86 code correctly, the unassigned PCI bus resources are
> > assigned in arch/x86/pci/i386.c (?) fs_initcall(pcibios_assign_resources),
> > with a comment:
> > 
> > /**
> >  * called in fs_initcall (one below subsys_initcall),
> >  * give a chance for motherboard reserve resources
> >  */
> > 
> > Problem is, motherboard resources are requested through (?):
> > 
> > drivers/pnp/system.c
> > 
> > which is also initialized at fs_initcall, so it might be called after
> > core x86 code reassign resources, defeating the purpose PNP0c02 was
> > designed for, namely, request motherboard regions before resources
> > are assigned, am I wrong ?
> 
> I think you're right.  This is a long-standing screwup in Linux.
> IMHO, ACPI resources should be parsed and reserved by the ACPI core,
> before any PCI resource management (since PCI host bridges are
> represented in ACPI).  But historically PCI devices have enumerated
> before ACPI got involved.  And the ACPI core doesn't really pay
> attention to _CRS for most devices (with the exception of PNP0C02).
> 
> IMO the PNP0C02 code in drivers/pnp/system.c should really be done in
> the ACPI core for all ACPI devices, similar to the way the PCI core
> reserves BAR space for all PCI devices, even if we don't have drivers
> for them.  I've tried to fix this in the past, but it is really a
> nightmare to unravel everything.
> 
> Because the ACPI core doesn't reserve resources for the _CRS of all
> ACPI devices, we're already vulnerable to the problem of placing a
> device on top of another ACPI device.  We don't see problems because
> on x86, at least, most ACPI devices are already configured by the BIOS
> to be enabled and non-overlapping.  But x86 has the advantage of
> having extensive test coverage courtesy of Windows, and as long as
> _CRS has the right stuff in it, we at least have the potential of
> fixing problems in Linux.

Thank you for the explanation, that's very useful.

I think it is quite important for all ARM developers to understand this
discussion, so I have two questions.

By "fixing problems in Linux" above, you mean that, given that we
do have a validated _CRS space, we can request/reserve the region the _CRS
reports to prevent assigning those resources to other devices, correct ?

> If the platform doesn't report resource usage correctly on ARM, we may
> not find problems (because we don't have the Windows test suite) and
> if we have resource assignment problems because _CRS is lacking, we'll
> have no way to fix them.

And I think here you mean we can't prevent assigning resource space to
devices that do not necessarily own it because since some devices _CRS
are borked/missing we have no way to detect the address space allocated
to them and we may end up with resources conflicts.

Thank you in advance for the explanation, I find this discussion
extremely helpful.

Lorenzo

> > As per last Tomasz's patchset, we claim and assign unassigned PCI
> > resources upon ACPI PCI host bridge probing (which happens at
> > subsys_initcall time, courtesy of ACPI current code); at that time the
> > kernel did not even register the PNP0c02 driver (drivers/pnp/system.c)
> > (it does that at fs_initcall). On the other hand, we insert MCFG
> > regions into the resource tree upon MCFG parsing, so I do not
> > see why we need to rely on PNP0c02 to do that for us (granted, the
> > mechanism is part of the PCI fw specs, which are x86 centric anyway
> > ie we can't certainly rely on Int15 e820 to detect reserved memory
> > on ARM :D)
> > 
> > There is lots of legacy x86 here and Bjorn definitely has more
> > visibility into that than I have, the ARM world must understand
> > how this works to make sure we have an agreement.
> 
> As you say, there is lots of unpleasant x86 legacy here.  Possibly ARM
> has a chance to clean this up and do it more sanely; I'm not sure
> whether it's feasible to reverse the ACPI/PCI init order there or not.
> 
> Rafael, any thoughts on this whole thing?
> 
> Bjorn
> 

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