linux-kernel - Re: Thoughts on tightening up user namespace creation

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Message-ID: <20160309190725.GA2218@mail.hallyn.com>
Date:	Wed, 9 Mar 2016 13:07:25 -0600
From:	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>
To:	Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
Cc:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	Colin Walters <walters@...bum.org>,
	Linux Containers <containers@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@...ntu.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@...onical.com>,
	Stephane Graber <stgraber@...ntu.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on tightening up user namespace creation

Quoting Kees Cook (keescook@...omium.org):
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:
> > Hi all-
> >
> > There are several users and distros that are nervous about user
> > namespaces from an attack surface point of view.
> >
> >  - RHEL and Arch have userns disabled.
> >
> >  - Ubuntu requires CAP_SYS_ADMIN
> >
> >  - Kees periodically proposes to upstream some sysctl to control
> > userns creation.
> 
> And here's another ring0 escalation flaw, made available to
> unprivileged users because of userns:
> 
> https://code.google.com/p/google-security-research/issues/detail?id=758

Kees, I think you think this makes your point, but all it does is make
me want to argue with you and start flinging back cves against kvm,
af_unix, sctp, etc.

> > I think there are three main types of concerns.  First, there might be
> > some as-yet-unknown semantic issues that would allow privilege
> > escalation by users who create user namespaces and then confuse
> > something else in the system.  Second, enabling user namespaces
> > exposes a lot of attack surface to unprivileged users.  Third,
> > allowing tasks to create user namespaces exposes the kernel to various
> > resource exhaustion attacks that wouldn't be possible otherwise.
> >
> > Since I doubt we'll ever fully address the attack surface issue at
> > least, would it make sense to try to come up with an upstreamable way
> > to limit who can create new user namespaces and/or do various
> > dangerous things with them?
> 
> The change in attack surface is _substantial_. We must have a way to
> globally disable userns.

I'm confused.  Didn't we agree a few months ago, somewhat reluctantly,
on a sysctl?