linux-kernel - Re: [musl] Re: [RFC PATCH] x86/vdso/32: Add AT

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Message-ID: <CA+55aFzOcxbhXCm01+NMgY9=THYgjojvDGeYsnxe-vWfiX4X0g@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Wed, 9 Mar 2016 11:47:30 -0800
From:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@...nel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
	"musl@...ts.openwall.com" <musl@...ts.openwall.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>
Subject: Re: [musl] Re: [RFC PATCH] x86/vdso/32: Add AT_SYSINFO cancellation helpers

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 3:34 AM, Szabolcs Nagy <nsz@...t70.net> wrote:
>>
>> Could someone remind me why cancellation points matter to user-space?
>
> because of standards.

So quite frankly, if we have to do kernel support for this, then let's
do it right, instead of just perpetuating a hack that was done in user
space in a new way.

We already have support for cancelling blocking system calls early: we
do it for fatal signals (exactly because we know that it's ok to
return -EINTR without failing POSIX semantics - the dying thread will
never actually *see* the -EINTR because it's dying).

I suspect that what you guys want is the same semantics as a fatal
signal (return early with -EINTR), but without the actual fatality
(you want to do cleanup in the cancelled thread).

I suspect that we could fairly easily give those kinds of semantics.
We could add a new flag to the sigaction (sa_flags) that says "this
signal interrupts even uninterruptible system calls".

Would that be good for you?

And if not, can you explain the exact semantics you need? IThere might
be some reason why you cannot reserve a particular signal for this,
for example, but I'd like to know more precisely..

Because this "let's compare addresses" seems just excessively hacky.
It's a clever little hack when you're doing user space and don't want
to rely on kernel changes, but now that Andy is actuallty trying to
push kernel changes it turns into just disgusting.

              Linus