Message-ID: <20160504153547.60d736bb@bbrezillon>
Date:	Wed, 4 May 2016 15:35:47 +0200
From:	Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@...e-electrons.com>
To:	Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org>
Cc:	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
	Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@...el.com>,
	Jean-Christophe Plagniol-Villard <plagnioj@...osoft.com>,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@...e-electrons.com>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@....com>,
	Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@...lion.org.uk>,
	Kumar Gala <galak@...eaurora.org>,
	"devicetree@...r.kernel.org" <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Jean-Jacques Hiblot <jjhiblot@...phandler.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/2] memory: atmel-ebi: add DT bindings documentation

On Wed, 4 May 2016 08:06:10 -0500
Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org> wrote:

> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:38 AM, Boris Brezillon
> <boris.brezillon@...e-electrons.com> wrote:
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > On Tue, 3 May 2016 14:11:04 -0500
> > Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org> wrote:
> >  
> >> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Boris Brezillon
> >> <boris.brezillon@...e-electrons.com> wrote:  
> >> > Hi Rob,
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, 3 May 2016 11:40:19 -0500
> >> > Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org> wrote:
> >> >  
> >> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 02:03:27PM +0200, Boris Brezillon wrote:  
> >> >> > The EBI (External Bus Interface) is used to access external peripherals
> >> >> > (NOR, SRAM, NAND, and other specific devices like ethernet controllers).
> >> >> > Each device is assigned a CS line and an address range and can have its
> >> >> > own configuration (timings, access mode, bus width, ...).
> >> >> > This driver provides a generic DT binding to configure a device according
> >> >> > to its requirements.
> >> >> > For specific device controllers (like the NAND one) the SMC timings
> >> >> > should be configured by the controller driver through the matrix and smc
> >> >> > syscon regmaps.  
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> >> > +EBI bus configuration associated with specific chip-select will be defined in
> >> >> > +the configs subnode. This configs node will in turn contain several subnodes
> >> >> > +named config-<cs-id>, each of them containing the following properties.  
> >> >>
> >> >> This is a bit unusual. Why not just part of the child device nodes?  
> >> >
> >> > Oh, come on! I reworked the binding because Mark complained about the
> >> > previous binding which was doing exactly what you're suggesting. Can
> >> > you please be consistent in your reviews...  
> >>
> >> No, Mark and I both have our opinions. Which part of this patch
> >> explains the history?  
> >
> > Hm, it's in patch 1/2 (just dropped the cover letter, which might not
> > be such a good idea).
> >  
> >> If the revision history is not in the patch, I'm
> >> not looking at it.
> >>
> >> My issue with it this way is that it has invented yet another way to
> >> describe timings. I would like to be consistent across external bus
> >> descriptions, but we're not very consistent to begin with though. The
> >> most common seems to be the way you first did it. But I agree that it
> >> is kind of screwy to have an intermediate node unless the controller
> >> itself has sub-blocks within it and is not the established way to
> >> describe a bus with chip selects. I would either put the properties
> >> directly in the child nodes (e.g. flash@0,0) or put your config nodes
> >> in the device node. I'd call it timings instead of config, but that's
> >> just bikeshedding.  
> >
> > Well, it's not only describing timings (see atmel,bus-width,
> > atmel,byte-access-type, ...), but I'm fine with either names :).
> >  
> >>
> >> memory-controller@...0 {
> >>   ...
> >>   flash@0,0 {
> >>     timings {
> >>       ...
> >>     };
> >>   };
> >> };  
> >
> > Okay. Mark, what do you think of this approach?
> >
> > Note that one of my previous version was defining timings directly in
> > the EBI device node, and Arnd noted that doing so may cause problems
> > if one of the EBI property (or the config/timing node name) conflict
> > with the sub-device binding, which is why I decided to put the EBI
> > config definitions in a separate subnode.  
> 
> You have vendor prefixes on all the properties so I don't think a
> collision is really a problem. It's also an established pattern in
> i.MX WEIM and OMAP GPMC (which are hiding in bindings/bus/) and I
> prefer consistency.

So let's summarize that.

memory-controller@...0 {
	...
	flash@0,0 {
		atmel,<ebi-prop-name> = <value>;
		...
		<flash-device-prop> = <value>;
	};
};

Would everyone agree on this representation?

With this approach, it's a bit more complicated to detect the case
where we want to keep bootloader/firmware config, but it should be
doable (it's much more easier to test for the presence of a
config/timing node than verifying that either all or none of the
mandatory properties are here).

Still remains the problem mentioned by Jean-Jacques: what if the
sub-device takes 2 CS lines. Should we apply the same setting to those
slots?

> 
> >> >> > +
> >> >> > +Optional config-<cs-id> node properties:
> >> >> > +
> >> >> > +- atmel,bus-width:         width of the asynchronous device's data bus
> >> >> > +                           8, 16 or 32.
> >> >> > +                           Default to 8 when undefined.
> >> >> > +
> >> >> > +- atmel,byte-access-type   "write" or "select" (see Atmel datasheet).
> >> >> > +                           Default to "select" when undefined.
> >> >> > +
> >> >> > +- atmel,read-mode          "nrd" or "ncs".
> >> >> > +                           Default to "ncs" when undefined.
> >> >> > +
> >> >> > +- atmel,write-mode         "nwe" or "ncs".
> >> >> > +                           Default to "ncs" when undefined.
> >> >> > +
> >> >> > +- atmel,exnw-mode          "disabled", "frozen" or "ready".
> >> >> > +                           Default to "disabled" when undefined.
> >> >> > +
> >> >> > +- atmel,page-mode          enable page mode if present. The provided value
> >> >> > +                           defines the page size (supported values: 4, 8,
> >> >> > +                           16 and 32).
> >> >> > +
> >> >> > +- atmel,tdf-mode:          "normal" or "optimized". When set to  
> >> >>
> >> >> This should be boolean.  
> >> >
> >> > It was a formerly defined as a boolean, and when it's done like that we
> >> > have no way to identify whether the property was forgotten or
> >> > intentionally set to normal mode. What's the problem with this approach?  
> >>
> >> Only preference to use boolean when that is sufficient. With your
> >> argument, then we should never have booleans. You state that missing
> >> means "normal", not forgotten, so all these properties should be
> >> required with no default.
> >>
> >> BTW, I debated the same thing on the other properties, but I could see
> >> them being expanded to a 3rd mode. I don't see that here though.  
> >
> > Well, another reason I switched to a string property is because I
> > implemented hardware readout in v4, and decided to retrieve the current
> > state from the hardware and only overload the config with what was
> > defined in the DT. In this case, if we move to a boolean property we
> > can't know whether the property is missing because we want to put the
> > bus in "normal" mode or because we want to keep this config unchanged
> > (keep the bootloader/bootstrap config).  
> 
> Now you are giving yet another definition of what missing means.
> Please pick and document one:
> - Error, property missing
> - Normal mode
> - Retain firmware/bootloader settings (this should probably apply to
> all or none)

As I said, this has changed in v5. In v4 we were first retrieving the
config from the hardware and then overloading this config with the
properties defined in the DT.
This ambiguity has gone along with the approach of putting the timings
directly in the sub-device node. In this version, EBI configs are
defined directly in configs/config-X nodes, which means that
- if configs/config-X exists, then all mandatory properties should be
  defined (otherwise -EINVAL is returned), and we can fallback to
  default values for optional properties.
- if configs/config-X does not exist, we retrieve the config directly
  from the hardware

So, with this assumption, we could definitely switch to a boolean
property. The only reason I did not change that is because I find it
clearer to have both modes clearly named than having a property called
atmel,tdf-optimized.

Anyway that's not something I'm particularly attached to, so let's
switch back to a boolean property.


-- 
Boris Brezillon, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering
http://free-electrons.com

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