linux-kernel - Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] xen: grant-table: Check truncation when giving access to a frame

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Date:	Mon, 13 Jun 2016 14:05:43 +0100
From:	Julien Grall <julien.grall@....com>
To:	Paul Durrant <Paul.Durrant@...rix.com>,
	"boris.ostrovsky@...cle.com" <boris.ostrovsky@...cle.com>,
	David Vrabel <david.vrabel@...rix.com>,
	"jgross@...e.com" <jgross@...e.com>,
	"sstabellini@...nel.org" <sstabellini@...nel.org>,
	"konrad.wilk@...cle.com" <konrad.wilk@...cle.com>
Cc:	Andrew Cooper <Andrew.Cooper3@...rix.com>,
	"xen-devel@...ts.xen.org" <xen-devel@...ts.xen.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"JBeulich@...e.com" <JBeulich@...e.com>,
	"steve.capper@....com" <steve.capper@....com>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] xen: grant-table: Check truncation when
 giving access to a frame



On 13/06/16 13:45, Paul Durrant wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Julien Grall [mailto:julien.grall@....com]
>> Sent: 13 June 2016 13:42
>> To: Paul Durrant; boris.ostrovsky@...cle.com; David Vrabel;
>> jgross@...e.com; sstabellini@...nel.org; konrad.wilk@...cle.com
>> Cc: Andrew Cooper; xen-devel@...ts.xen.org; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org;
>> JBeulich@...e.com; steve.capper@....com
>> Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] xen: grant-table: Check truncation when
>> giving access to a frame
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13/06/16 13:41, Julien Grall wrote:
>>> Hello Paul,
>>>
>>> On 13/06/16 13:12, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Xen-devel [mailto:xen-devel-bounces@...ts.xen.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>>>>> Julien Grall
>>>>> Sent: 13 June 2016 11:51
>>>>> To: boris.ostrovsky@...cle.com; David Vrabel; jgross@...e.com;
>>>>> sstabellini@...nel.org; konrad.wilk@...cle.com
>>>>> Cc: steve.capper@....com; Andrew Cooper; linux-
>> kernel@...r.kernel.org;
>>>>> xen-devel@...ts.xen.org; Julien Grall; JBeulich@...e.com
>>>>> Subject: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] xen: grant-table: Check truncation when
>>>>> giving
>>>>> access to a frame
>>>>>
>>>>> The version 1 of the grant-table protocol only supports frame encoded
>> on
>>>>> 32-bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> When the platform is supporting 48-bit physical address, the frame will
>>>>> be encoded on 36-bit which will lead a truncation and give access to
>>>>> the wrong frame.
>>>>>
>>>>> On ARM Xen will always allow the guest to use all the physical address,
>>>>> although today the RAM is always located under 40-bits (see
>>>>> xen/include/public/arch-arm.h).
>>>>>
>>>>> Add a truncation check in gnttab_update_entry_v1 to prevent the guest
>> to
>>>>> give access to the wrong frame.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Julien Grall <julien.grall@....com>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>       This is limiting us to a 44-bit address space whilst ARM can
>>>>> support
>>>>>       up to 48-bit today. This number of bit will increase to 52-bit in
>>>>>       upcoming processors [1].
>>>>>
>>>>>       It might be good to start thinking to extend the version 1 of the
>>>>>       protocol to use 64-bit frame number.
>>>>
>>>> ...or simply use version 2 of the protocol.
>>>
>>> On another mail [1], you said that "[v2] didn't scale it became
>>> bottle-necked on dom0's grant table size,...".
>>>
>>> So it looks like to me that version 2 is the wrong way to go.
>>> The performance should stay the same whether the platform support
>>> 40-bit, 44-bit, 48-bit, 52-bit address space.
>>
>
> No, I meant the guest receive-side copy didn't scale, not grant table v2 itself. Ok the table is bigger with v2, but to do guest receive-side copy required a huge table in dom0 if it was going to scale to 100s of VMs and the perf. benefits were never that great (if they were there at all).

Sorry I misunderstood your previous mail. So the only downside is the 
size of the table.

Looking at the structure in the header (public/grant_table.h), this is 
effectively much bigger. A commit in Linux [1] suggests that grant v2 
only supports 256 grants per page rather than 512 for v1.

How would that impact a guest?

Regards,

[1] commit 11c7ff17c9b6dbf3a4e4f36be30ad531a6cf0ec9
Author: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@...cle.com>
Date:   Mon Jan 6 10:44:39 2014 -0500
     xen/grant-table: Force to use v1 of grants.

     We have the framework to use v2, but there are no backends that
     actually use it. The end result is that on PV we use v2 grants
     and on PVHVM v1. The v1 has a capacity of 512 grants per page while
     the v2 has 256 grants per page. This means we lose about 50%
     capacity - and if we want more than 16 VIFs (each VIF takes
     512 grants), then we are hitting the max per guest of 32.

So from my understanding the table is much more bigger.

-- 
Julien Grall