linux-kernel - Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces?

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Message-ID: <CAKgNAkhtQNg0mVv6ei_JigNz3njo_G3opE+rzd4OtKpa2hQe9g@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:15:20 +0200
From:	"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@...il.com>
To:	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>
Cc:	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>, criu@...nvz.org,
	Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Containers <containers@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
Subject: Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces?

Hi Serge,

On 6 July 2016 at 16:13, Serge E. Hallyn <serge@...lyn.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 06, 2016 at 10:41:48AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>> [Rats! Doing now what I should have down to start with. Looping some
>> lists and CRIU and other possibly relevant people into this
>> conversation]
>>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> On 5 July 2016 at 23:47, Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@...ssion.com> wrote:
>> > "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@...il.com> writes:
>> >
>> >> Hi Eric,
>> >>
>> >> I have a question. Is there any way currently to discover which
>> >> user namespace a particular nonuser namespace is governed by?
>> >> Maybe I am missing something, but there does not seem to be a
>> >> way to do this. Also, can one discover which userns is the
>> >> parent of a given userns? Again, I can't see a way to do this.
>> >>
>> >> The point here is introspecting so that a process might determine
>> >> what its capabilities are when operating on some resource governed
>> >> by a (nonuser) namespace.
>> >
>> > To the best of my knowledge that there is not an interface to get that
>> > information.  It would be good to have such an interface for no other
>> > reason than the CRIU folks are going to need it at some point.  I am a
>> > bit surprised they have not complained yet.
>
> I don't think they need it.  They do in fact have what they need.  Assume
> you have tasks T1, T2, T1_1 and T2_1;  T1 and T2 are in init_user_ns;  T1
> spawned T1_1 in a new userns;  T2 spawned T2_1 which setns()d to T1_1's ns.
> There's some {handwave} uid mapping, does not matter.
>
> At restart, it doesn't matter which task originally created the new userns.
> criu knows T1_1 and T2_1 are in the same userns;  it creates the userns, sets
> up the mapping, and T1_1 and T2_1 setns() to it.

I'm missing something here. How does the parental relationships
between the user namespaces get reconstructed? Those relationships
will govern what capabilities a process will have in various user
namespaces.

Cheers,

Michael


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