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Message-ID: <20160714174103.GO15005@htj.duckdns.org>
Date:	Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:41:03 -0400
From:	Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>
To:	Waiman Long <waiman.long@....com>
Cc:	Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.com>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@...chiereds.net>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@...ldses.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux-foundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	Dave Chinner <dchinner@...hat.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>,
	Scott J Norton <scott.norton@....com>,
	Douglas Hatch <doug.hatch@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/7] lib/dlock-list: Distributed and lock-protected
 lists

Hello,

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 01:13:24PM -0400, Waiman Long wrote:
> On 07/14/2016 07:50 AM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> I got comment related to the percpu-list name from Christoph Lameter a while
> ago. His argument was that since deletion can happenned from any CPU, it was
> not really percpu like the other percpu structures. That prompted me to
> change the name to the current form. I am fine with either names, but I
> would like to keep the current name unless there is a great rationale for
> switching back.

Yeah, I don't know.  It's probably gonna stick out as a percpu data
structure with a weird name.  No biggies.  If it actually matters, we
can rename it later.  Christoph, what do you think?  Do you still
think dlist is a better name?

> > I don't think it makes sense to worry about the cases where the next
> > entry to iterate may be removed by the iterator.  What I'm trying to
> > say is just make the iteration always safe and don't worry about the
> > distinction.  For list_for_each_entry(), it makes the difference of
> > requiring and not requiring a separtae state variable.  Here, we need
> > it anyway.
> 
> A lot of those functions that need to iterate the list will release the lock
> in the middle, do some stuff, reacquire the lock and move on to the next
> entry. So it is entirely possible that new entries will be inserted between
> the current entry and the next one in between the release and re-acquisition
> of the lock. Using the safe version will skip those newly added entries
> which is a change in behavior for the current code. That is my main concern
> for making it deletion safe by default.

I see.  The distinction between unsafe and safe versions is pretty
subtle.  :(

> I don't think it is normal to have concurrent deletion of the same entry.
> Most likely it is a bug if this happens. Having the warning message in the
> kernel log will help to catch those errors.

Yeah, maybe.  I was thinking more in line of list_del_init().  dlist
having its own locking embedded makes it a bit murky which parts of
synchronization belong where.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun