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Date:	Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:14:29 -0500
From:	Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org>
To:	Sekhar Nori <nsekhar@...com>
Cc:	Nishanth Menon <nm@...com>, Mugunthan V N <mugunthanvnm@...com>,
	netdev@...r.kernel.org, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@...mide.com>,
	Russell King <linux@...linux.org.uk>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	devicetree@...r.kernel.org, linux-omap@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [net-next PATCH 1/3] net: phy: dp83867: Add documentation for
 optional impedance control

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:52:36AM +0530, Sekhar Nori wrote:
> Nishanth,
> 
> On Wednesday 20 July 2016 09:03 PM, Nishanth Menon wrote:
> > On 07/20/2016 09:56 AM, Mugunthan V N wrote:
> >> Add documention of ti,impedance-control which can be used to
> >> correct MAC impedance mismatch using phy extended registers.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Mugunthan V N <mugunthanvnm@...com>
> >> ---
> >>   Documentation/devicetree/bindings/net/ti,dp83867.txt | 7 +++++++
> >>   1 file changed, 7 insertions(+)
> >>
> >> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/net/ti,dp83867.txt
> >> b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/net/ti,dp83867.txt
> >> index 5d21141..531ea3c5 100644
> >> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/net/ti,dp83867.txt
> >> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/net/ti,dp83867.txt
> >> @@ -9,6 +9,13 @@ Required properties:
> >>       - ti,fifo-depth - Transmitt FIFO depth- see
> >> dt-bindings/net/ti-dp83867.h
> >>           for applicable values
> >>
> >> +Optional property:
> >> +    - ti,impedance-control - MAC Interface Impedance control to vary the
> >> +                 output impedance with an approximate range
> >> +                 from 35-70 ohms in 32 steps. Value range can
> >> +                 be 0x0 to 0x1f. Lowest impedance value is
> >> +                 0x1f and highest impedance being 0x0.
> >> +
> > 
> > Should'nt you be using the impedance values of 35 to 70 as the valid
> > values here? that would be the hardware description, and the values to
> > program corresponding to those are 0x00 to 0x1f. Right?
> > 
> > Rob: is'nt that the right way to do it?

Normally, yes that is preferred. I don't have an issue with it here if 
that is what makes sense.

> Agree that that is usually the right way to do it. I believe this case
> is bit peculiar though. Here is the extract from the datasheet[1] about
> how the register in question works.
> 
> "
> Output impedance approximate range from 35-70 ohms in 32 steps.
> Lowest being 11110 and highest being 00000. Range and Step size
> will vary with process.
> 
> Default is set to 50 ohms by trim. But the default register value can
> vary by process. Non default values of MAC I/O impedance can be
> used based on trace impedance. Mismatch between device and
> trace impedance can cause voltage overshoot and undershoot.
> "
> 
> So clearly, there is no easy correspondence that the hardware guarantees
> between output impedance ohmage and the register value programmed. Only
> couple of things are guaranteed.
> 
> 1) Programming a value of 0 gives approximately 35 ohms
> 2) Programming a value of 0x1F gives approximately 70 ohms
> 3) Default value of the register gives 50 ohms (the default value could
> vary by device).
> 4) Programming a value in between will give some ohmage in the
> approximate range 35-70 (curve is unknown).
> 
> Given this, I am not sure how one can convert a given user supplied ohms
> values to a reasonable register value. Clearly, the register is supposed
> to be programmed by experimentation, not calculation.

So your are going to change from a known value tuned for the individual 
Si (50ohm) to the same value for all chips (at least for a given board). 
Or does this get set by firmware at boot? If not, seems like you would 
want to specify a delta from the default register value in this case.

> That said, we could take another approach. At least for the current
> issue we are trying to address, we only need to configure the register
> to max value. And given the nature of the register, I am pretty sure
> that is what most people will end up doing.

How does the max value get determined? Possibly it should just be set in 
the kernel.
 
> So, may be we have two properties:
> 
> ti,max-output-impedance
> ti,min-output-imepdance

Just define max if that's all you currently need.

> which configure the impedance to maximum and minimum values
> respectively. If, in future, someone needs to configure a value in
> between, he can introduce a more granular property which when then
> override whatever else is specified.
> 
> Regards,
> Sekhar
> 
> [1] http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/dp83867ir.pdf