lists.openwall.net   lists  /  announce  owl-users  owl-dev  john-users  john-dev  passwdqc-users  yescrypt  popa3d-users  /  oss-security  kernel-hardening  musl  sabotage  tlsify  passwords  /  crypt-dev  xvendor  /  Bugtraq  Full-Disclosure  linux-kernel  linux-netdev  linux-ext4  linux-hardening  linux-cve-announce  PHC 
Open Source and information security mailing list archives
 
Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.
[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]
Message-ID: <5441275B-62E4-4FC2-B169-564A9F82ADBD@zytor.com>
Date:   Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:14:44 -0700
From:   "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>
To:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>
CC:     Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Benjamin Serebrin <serebrin@...gle.com>,
        Borislav Petkov <bp@...e.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC UGLY] x86,mm,sched: make lazy TLB mode even lazier

On August 29, 2016 4:55:02 PM PDT, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:
>On Aug 29, 2016 7:54 AM, "Rik van Riel" <riel@...hat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 2016-08-28 at 01:11 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> > On Aug 25, 2016 9:06 PM, "Rik van Riel" <riel@...hat.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Subject: x86,mm,sched: make lazy TLB mode even lazier
>> > >
>> > > Lazy TLB mode can result in an idle CPU being woken up for a TLB
>> > > flush, when all it really needed to do was flush %cr3 before the
>> > > next context switch.
>> > >
>> > > This is mostly fine on bare metal, though sub-optimal from a
>power
>> > > saving point of view, and deeper C states could make TLB flushes
>> > > take a little longer than desired.
>> > >
>> > > On virtual machines, the pain can be much worse, especially if a
>> > > currently non-running VCPU is woken up for a TLB invalidation
>> > > IPI, on a CPU that is busy running another task. It could take
>> > > a while before that IPI is handled, leading to performance
>issues.
>> > >
>> > > This patch is still ugly, and the sched.h include needs to be
>> > > cleaned
>> > > up a lot (how would the scheduler people like to see the context
>> > > switch
>> > > blocking abstracted?)
>> > >
>> > > This patch deals with the issue by introducing a third tlb state,
>> > > TLBSTATE_FLUSH, which causes %cr3 to be flushed at the next
>> > > context switch. A CPU is transitioned from TLBSTATE_LAZY to
>> > > TLBSTATE_FLUSH with the rq lock held, to prevent context
>switches.
>> > >
>> > > Nothing is done for a CPU that is already in TLBSTATE_FLUH mode.
>> > >
>> > > This patch is totally untested, because I am at a conference
>right
>> > > now, and Benjamin has the test case :)
>> > >
>> >
>> > I haven't had a chance to seriously read the code yet, but what
>> > happens when the mm is deleted outright?  Or is the idea that a
>> > reference is held until all the lazy users are gone, too?
>>
>> Worst case we send a TLB flush to a CPU that does
>> not need it.
>>
>> As not sending an IPI will be faster than sending
>> one, I do not think the tradeoff will be much
>> different for a system with PCID.
>
>If we were fully non-lazy, we wouldn't need to send these IPIs at all,
>right?  We would just keep cr3 pointing at swapper_pg_dir when not
>actively using the mm.  The problem with doing that without PCID is
>that cr3 writes are really slow.  Or am I missing something?

Writing cr3 on a PCID system doesn't (necessarily) flush the TLB context.  The whole reason for PCIDs is to *enable* lazy TLB by not making it necessary to flush a TLB context during the running of another process.  As such, this methodology should help a PCID system even more: we can remember if we need to flush a TLB context during the scheduling of said task, without needing any IPI.
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse brevity and formatting.

Powered by blists - more mailing lists

Powered by Openwall GNU/*/Linux Powered by OpenVZ