linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 3/6] x86/dumpstack: make printk_stack

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Date:   Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:09:20 -0500
From:   Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>
To:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
        "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@...nel.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        Brian Gerst <brgerst@...il.com>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
        Byungchul Park <byungchul.park@....com>,
        Nilay Vaish <nilayvaish@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] x86/dumpstack: make printk_stack_address() more
 generally useful

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:15:19AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> So I think the patch is good, and I think the oops looks great, but I
> think we should also just remove the stack dump. Sure, the register
> state *can* contain these things too, but almost never do (and didn't,
> in this example).
> 
> The stack dump actually goes back to forever, and it used to be useful
> back in 1992 or so. But it used to be useful mainly because stacks
> were simpler and we didn't have very good call traces anyway. I
> definitely remember having used them - I just do not remember having
> used them in the last ten+ years.
> 
> Of course, it's still true that if you can trigger an oops, you've
> likely already lost the security game, but since the stack dump is so
> useless, let's aim to just remove it and make games like the above
> harder.

Yeah.  I'll do another patch to get rid of the raw stack dump (though
maybe I'll wait until the other patches get merged first so I don't have
patches flying around everywhere).

> I'm also sure that we probably have a lot of other addresses in dmesg
> that we should make sure aren't leaked. I did a quick grep and found
> 
>  Base memory trampoline at [ffff8f5e00097000] 97000 size 24576
>  percpu: Embedded 35 pages/cpu @ffff8f6236c00000 s103640 r8192 d31528 u262144
>  Freeing SMP alternatives memory: 32K (ffffffffaaec1000 - ffffffffaaec9000)
> 
> and a few more, and didn't check if those might give load addresses
> away, but it would be good to check.

On my system, a grep found these:

  $ dmesg |grep "ffff[8-e]\|ffffffff[8-e]"
  [    0.000000] found SMP MP-table at [mem 0x000f6b40-0x000f6b4f] mapped at [ffffa0b7000f6b40]
  [    0.000000] Base memory trampoline at [ffffa0b700099000] 99000 size 24576
  [    0.000000] percpu: Embedded 485 pages/cpu @ffffa0b77d200000 s1946904 r8192 d31464 u2097152
  [    0.475975] Freeing SMP alternatives memory: 32K (ffffffff9e309000 - ffffffff9e311000)
  [    2.656380] Freeing initrd memory: 10588K (ffffa0b736b42000 - ffffa0b737599000)
  [    4.444099] Freeing unused kernel memory: 3592K (ffffffff9df87000 - ffffffff9e309000)
  [    4.447080] Freeing unused kernel memory: 1352K (ffffa0b7288ae000 - ffffa0b728a00000)
  [    4.449517] Freeing unused kernel memory: 632K (ffffa0b728d62000 - ffffa0b728e00000)

The text starts at 0xffffa0b728000000 and 0xffffffff9d000000.  I think
only the "Freeing" messages would give away the vmlinux mappings.

I'm wonder if it might be useful to encode the addresses somehow; they
could conceivably be used to debug use-after-free issues.  Or we could
just remove them.

-- 
Josh