linux-kernel - Re: [RFC] fs: add userspace critical mounts event support

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Date:   Tue, 4 Oct 2016 17:32:22 -0700
From:   Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To:     "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@...nel.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC] fs: add userspace critical mounts event support

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> Note that the races are beyond firmware, so all
> kernel_read_file_from_path() users, as such re-using such old /sys/
> interafeces for firmware will not suffice to cover all ground now for
> the same race for other possible users.

Blah blah blah.

The reason I've hated this whole discussion is that it's full of
"let's re-architect everything", and then it has these horribly warty
interfaces. It's classic second-system syndrome.

Just do *one* thing, and do it well. Don't change anything else. Don't
force existign drivers to use new interfaces. Don't over-architect,
and don't do stupid interfaces.

If user-space mounts a new filesystem (or just unpacks files from a
tar-file that has firmware images in it, for chissake), that is not
some magical "critical mount event". The whole concept is just stupid.
Is it a "mount event" when the user downloads a new firmware image
from the internet?

HELL NO.

But what is equally stupid is to then dismiss simple models because
some totally unrelated "beyond firmware" issue.

Anything that is "beyond firmware" shouldn't even be discussed, for
chrissake! It has nothing what-so-ever to do with firmware loading. If
there ends up being some common helper functions, and shared code,
that *still* doesn't make it so.

Basic rules of thumb:

 (a) don't over-design

 (b) don't have stupid illogical interfaces

 (c) don't conflate different issues just because you think they may
have shared code.

 (4) be consistent. Don't make up new interfaces, and most certainly
do *NOT* dismiss something just because it's what we have done before.

That's it.

                Linus