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Date:   Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:30:44 +0200
From:   Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>
To:     Ming Ling <ming.ling@...eadtrum.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm: exclude isolated non-lru pages from
 NR_ISOLATED_ANON or NR_ISOLATED_FILE.

On Fri 14-10-16 16:32:19, Ming Ling wrote:
> On 四, 10月 13, 2016 at 10:09:37上午 +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> Hello,
> > On Thu 13-10-16 14:39:09, ming.ling wrote:
> > > From: Ming Ling <ming.ling@...eadtrum.com>
> > > 
> > > Non-lru pages don't belong to any lru, so counting them to
> > > NR_ISOLATED_ANON or NR_ISOLATED_FILE doesn't make any sense.
> > > It may misguide functions such as pgdat_reclaimable_pages and
> > > too_many_isolated.
> > 
> > That doesn't make much sense to me. I guess you wanted to say something
> > like
> > "
> > Accounting non-lru pages isolated for migration during pfn walk to
> > NR_ISOLATED_{ANON,FILE} doesn't make any sense and it can misguide
> > heuristics based on those counters such as pgdat_reclaimable_pages resp.
> > too_many_isolated. Note that __alloc_contig_migrate_range can isolate
> > a lot of pages at once.
> > "
> Yes，your understanding is right, and your description is clearer than
> mine. Do your mind if i borrow it as a comment of this patch in next
> version?

sure, go ahead

> > > On mobile devices such as 512M ram android Phone, it may use
> > > a big zram swap. In some cases zram(zsmalloc) uses too many
> > > non-lru pages, such as:
> > > 	MemTotal: 468148 kB
> > > 	Normal free:5620kB
> > > 	Free swap:4736kB
> > > 	Total swap:409596kB
> > > 	ZRAM: 164616kB(zsmalloc non-lru pages)
> > > 	active_anon:60700kB
> > > 	inactive_anon:60744kB
> > > 	active_file:34420kB
> > > 	inactive_file:37532kB
> > 
> > I assume those zsmalloc pages are migrateable and that is the problem?
> > Please state that explicitly so that even people not familiar with
> > zsmalloc understand the motivation.
> 
> Yes, since Minchan Kim had committed ‘mm: migrate: support non-lru
> movable page migration’, those zsmalloc pages are migrateable now.
> And i will state that explicitly in next version.

OK

> > > More non-lru pages which used by zram for swap, it influences
> > > pgdat_reclaimable_pages and too_many_isolated more.
> > 
> > It would be good to mention what would be a visible effect of this.
> > "If the NR_ISOLATED_* is too large then the direct reclaim might get
> > throttled prematurely inducing longer allocation latencies without any
> > strong reason."
> > 
> I will detail the effect of counting so many non-lru pages into
> NR_ISOLATED_{ANON,FILE} such as:
>
> 'In function shrink_inactive_list, if there are too many isolated
> pages,it will wait for a moment. So If we miscounting large number
> non-lru pages into NR_ISOLATED_{ANON,FILE}, direct reclaim might
> getthrottled prematurely inducing longer allocation latencies
> without any strong reason. Actually there is no need to take non-lru
> pages into account in shrink_inactive_list which just deals with
> lru pages.

Note that this is true also for the direct compaction.

> In function pgdat_reclaimable_pages, you had considered isolated
> pages in zone_reclaimable_pages. So miscounting non-lru pages into
> NR_ISOLATED_{ANON,FILE} also larger zone_reclaimable_pages and will
> lead to a more optimistic zone_reclaimable judgement.

Which shouldn't be such a big deal.

> '
> > > This patch excludes isolated non-lru pages from NR_ISOLATED_ANON
> > > or NR_ISOLATED_FILE to ensure their counts are right.
> > 
> > But this patch doesn't do that. It just relies on __PageMovable. It is
> > true that all LRU pages should be movable (well except for
> > NR_UNEVICTABLE in certain configurations) but is it true that all
> > movable pages are on the LRU list?
> >
>
> I don't think so. In commit bda807d4 'mm: migrate: support non-lru
> movable page migration', Minchan Kim point out :
> 'For testing of non-lru movable page, VM supports __PageMovable function.
> However, it doesn't guarantee to identify non-lru movable page because
> page->mapping field is unified with other variables in struct page.  As
> well, if driver releases the page after isolation by VM, page->mapping
> doesn't have stable value although it has PAGE_MAPPING_MOVABLE (Look at
> __ClearPageMovable).  But __PageMovable is cheap to catch whether page
> is LRU or non-lru movable once the page has been isolated.  Because LRU
> pages never can have PAGE_MAPPING_MOVABLE in page->mapping.  It is also
> good for just peeking to test non-lru movable pages before more
> expensive checking with lock_page in pfn scanning to select victim.'.
> 
> And he uses __PageMovable to judge whether a isolated page is a lru page
> such as:
> void putback_movable_pages(struct list_head *l)
> {
> 	......
> 	/*
> 	 * We isolated non-lru movable page so here we can use
>  	 * __PageMovable because LRU page's mapping cannot have
> 	 * PAGE_MAPPING_MOVABLE.
> 	 */
> 	if (unlikely(__PageMovable(page))) {
> 		VM_BUG_ON_PAGE(!PageIsolated(page), page);
> 		lock_page(page);
> 		if (PageMovable(page))
> 			putback_movable_page(page);
> 		else
> 			__ClearPageIsolated(page);
> 		unlock_page(page);
> 		put_page(page);
> 	} else {
> 		putback_lru_page(page);
> 	}
> }

I am not familiar with this code enough to comment but to me it all
sounds quite subtle.

> > Why don't you simply mimic what shrink_inactive_list does? Aka count the
> > number of isolated pages and then account them when appropriate?
> >
> I think i am correcting clearly wrong part. So, there is no need to
> describe it too detailed. It's a misunderstanding, and i will add
> more comments as you suggest.

OK, so could you explain why you prefer to relyon __PageMovable rather
than do a trivial counting during the isolation?
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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