linux-kernel - Re: linux.git: printk() problem

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Message-ID: <1477249607.3561.2.camel@perches.com>
Date:   Sun, 23 Oct 2016 12:06:47 -0700
From:   Joe Perches <joe@...ches.com>
To:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>
Cc:     Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@...ove.sakura.ne.jp>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@...il.com>,
        Petr Mladek <pmladek@...e.cz>
Subject: Re: linux.git: printk() problem

On Sun, 2016-10-23 at 11:11 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:22 AM, Geert Uytterhoeven
> <geert@...ux-m68k.org> wrote:
> > 
> > These changes have an interesting side-effect on sequences of printk()s that
> > lack proper continuation: they introduced a discrepancy between dmesg output
> > and the actual kernel output.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> So the "print vs log" handling is really really horrible. I cleaned up
> some of it, but left the really fundamental problems. I wanted to just
> rewrite it all, but didn't quite have the heart for it.
> 
> The best solution by far would be to just not support KERN_CONT at
> all,  but there's too many "silly details" things that keep it from
> being possible.
> 
> The basic issue is that we have the line buffer that is used for
> continuations, and then the record buffer that is used for logging.
> 
> And those two per se sound fairly easy to handle ("KERN_CONT means
> append to the line buffer, otherwise flush the line buffer and move to
> the record buffer").
> 
> But what complicates things more is then the "console output", which
> has two issues:
> 
>  - it is done outside the locking regime for the line buffer and the
> record buffer.
> 
>  - it is done on _partial_ line buffers.

EOL KERN_<LEVEL> and thread interleaving still exists.

> It would be really quite easy to say "we don't print out
> continuation lines immediately, we just buffer them for 0.1s instead,
> and KERN_CONT only works for things that really happen more or less
> immediately".

Or use to a start/stop buffer (maybe via KERN_<LEVEL> and \n) with
PID/TIDs added to /dev/kmsg and that short-term timer to reassemble.

> Maybe that really is the right answer. Because the original cause of
> us having to bend over backwards in this case is really no longer
> there. And it would simplify printk a *lot*.

A timer might be a good idea, but perhaps Sergey and Petr might
have some interest in that too. (added to cc's)