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Date:   Thu, 27 Oct 2016 17:25:03 +0200
From:   Tom Gundersen <teg@...m.no>
To:     Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>
Cc:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@...il.com>,
        Hannes Reinecke <hare@...e.com>,
        Jiri Kosina <jikos@...nel.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Josh Triplett <josh@...htriplett.org>,
        Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v1 02/14] bus1: provide stub cdev /dev/bus1

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de> wrote:
> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 1:54:05 AM CEST Tom Gundersen wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 1:19 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:
>> > This may have been covered elsewhere, but could this use syscalls instead?
>>
>> Yes, syscalls would work essentially the same. For now, we are using a
>> cdev as it makes it a lot more convenient to develop and test as an
>> out-of-tree module, but that could be changed easily before the final
>> submission, if that's what we want.
>
>
> Generally speaking, I think syscalls would be appropriate here, and put
> bus1 into a similar category as the other ipc interfaces (shm, msg, sem,
> mqueue, ...).

Could you elaborate on why you think syscalls would be more
appropriate than ioctls?

> However, syscall API design is nontrivial, and will require a bit of
> work to come to a set of syscalls that is fairly compact but also
> extensible enough. I think it makes sense to go through the exercise
> of working out what the syscall interface would end up looking like,
> and then make a decision.
>
> There is currently a set of file operations:
>
> @@ -48,7 +90,11 @@ const struct file_operations bus1_fops = {
>         .owner                  = THIS_MODULE,
>         .open                   = bus1_fop_open,
>         .release                = bus1_fop_release,
> +       .poll                   = bus1_fop_poll,
>         .llseek                 = noop_llseek,
> +       .mmap                   = bus1_fop_mmap,
> +       .unlocked_ioctl         = bus1_peer_ioctl,
> +       .compat_ioctl           = bus1_peer_ioctl,
>         .show_fdinfo            = bus1_fop_show_fdinfo,
>  };
>
> and then another set of ioctls:
>
> +enum {
> +       BUS1_CMD_PEER_DISCONNECT        = _IOWR(BUS1_IOCTL_MAGIC, 0x00,
> +                                       __u64),
> +       BUS1_CMD_PEER_QUERY             = _IOWR(BUS1_IOCTL_MAGIC, 0x01,
> +                                       struct bus1_cmd_peer_reset),
> +       BUS1_CMD_PEER_RESET             = _IOWR(BUS1_IOCTL_MAGIC, 0x02,
> +                                       struct bus1_cmd_peer_reset),
> +       BUS1_CMD_HANDLE_RELEASE         = _IOWR(BUS1_IOCTL_MAGIC, 0x10,
> +                                       __u64),
> +       BUS1_CMD_HANDLE_TRANSFER        = _IOWR(BUS1_IOCTL_MAGIC, 0x11,
> +                                       struct bus1_cmd_handle_transfer),
> +       BUS1_CMD_NODES_DESTROY          = _IOWR(BUS1_IOCTL_MAGIC, 0x20,
> +                                       struct bus1_cmd_nodes_destroy),
> +       BUS1_CMD_SLICE_RELEASE          = _IOWR(BUS1_IOCTL_MAGIC, 0x30,
> +                                       __u64),
> +       BUS1_CMD_SEND                   = _IOWR(BUS1_IOCTL_MAGIC, 0x40,
> +                                       struct bus1_cmd_send),
> +       BUS1_CMD_RECV                   = _IOWR(BUS1_IOCTL_MAGIC, 0x50,
> +                                       struct bus1_cmd_recv),
> +};
>
> I think there is no alternative to having some sort of file descriptor
> with the basic operations you have above, but there is a question of
> how to get that file descriptor if the ioctls get changed to a syscall,
> the basic options being:

I could see the point of wanting a syscall to get the fd (your second
option below), but as I said, not sure I see why we would want to use
syscalls instead of ioctls.

> - Keep using a chardev. This works, but feels a little odd to me,
>   and I can't think of any other interfaces combining syscalls with
>   a chardev.
>
> - Have one syscall that returns an open file descriptor, replacing
>   the fops->open() function. One advantage is that you can pass
>   additional arguments in that you can't have with open.
>   An example for this would be mqueue_open().

If we are going to change it, this might makes sense to me. It would
allow you to get the fd without having to have access to some
character device.

> - Have a mountable file system, and use open() on that to create
>   connections. Advantages are that it's fairly easy to have one
>   instance per fs-namespace, and you can have user-defined naming
>   of objects in the file system.

Note that currently we only have one object (/dev/bus1) and each fd is
disconnected from anything else on creation, so not sure what benefits
a filesystem (or several instances of it) would give?

> For the other operations, the obvious translation would be to
> turn each ioctl command into one syscall, but that may not always
> be the best representation. One limitation is that you cannot
> generally have more than six 'long' arguments on a lot of
> architectures, and passing 'u64' arguments to syscalls is awkward.
>
> For some of the commands, the transformation would be straightforward
> if we assume that the 'u64' arguments can actually be 'long',
> I guess like this:
>
> +struct bus1_cmd_handle_transfer {
> +       __u64 flags;
> +       __u64 src_handle;
> +       __u64 dst_fd;
> +       __u64 dst_handle;
> +} __attribute__((__aligned__(8)));
>
> long bus1_handle_transfer(int fd, unsigned long handle,
>                 int dst_fd, unsigned long *dst_handle, unsigned int flags);
>
> +struct bus1_cmd_nodes_destroy {
> +       __u64 flags;
> +       __u64 ptr_nodes;
> +       __u64 n_nodes;
> +} __attribute__((__aligned__(8)));
>
> long bus1_nodes_destroy(int fd, u64 *ptr_nodes,
>                 long n_nodes, unsigned int flags);
>
> However, the peer_reset would exceed the 6-argument limit when you count
> the initial file descriptor even if you assume that 'flags' can be
> made 32-bit:
>
> +struct bus1_cmd_peer_reset {
> +       __u64 flags;
> +       __u64 peer_flags;
> +       __u32 max_slices;
> +       __u32 max_handles;
> +       __u32 max_inflight_bytes;
> +       __u32 max_inflight_fds;
> +} __attribute__((__aligned__(8)));
>
> maybe something slightly ugly like
>
> long bus1_peer_reset(int fd, const struct bus1_peer_limits *param,
>                 unsigned int flags);
>
> a library might provide a wrapper that passes all the limits
> as separate arguments.
>
> The receive function would be fairly straightforward again, as
> we just pass a pointer to the returned message, and all inputs
> can be arguments, but the send command with this structure
>
> +struct bus1_cmd_send {
> +       __u64 flags;
> +       __u64 ptr_destinations;
> +       __u64 ptr_errors;
> +       __u64 n_destinations;
> +       __u64 ptr_vecs;
> +       __u64 n_vecs;
> +       __u64 ptr_handles;
> +       __u64 n_handles;
> +       __u64 ptr_fds;
> +       __u64 n_fds;
> +} __attribute__((__aligned__(8)));
>
> is really tricky, as it's such a central interface but it's
> also really complex, with its five indirect pointers to
> variable-length arrays, making a total of 11 arguments
> (including the first fd). Turning this into a syscall would
> probably make a more efficient interface, so maybe some
> of the arrays can be turned into a single argument and
> require the user to call it multiple times instead of the
> kernel looping around it.
>
> The minimal version would be something like
>
> long bus1_send(int fd, long dst, struct iovec *vecs, int n_vecs,
>                 long handle, int dst_fd);
>
> so you already get to six arguments with one destination, one
> handle and one fd but no flags. Replacing vecs/n_vecs with pointer
> and length doesn't help either, so I guess whatever we do here
> we have to use some indirect structure.
>
>         Arnd

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