linux-kernel - Re: [RFC][PATCH 7/7] kref: Implement using refcount

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Message-ID: <20161117094851.GA5227@tardis.cn.ibm.com>
Date:   Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:48:51 +0800
From:   Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:     gregkh@...uxfoundation.org, keescook@...omium.org,
        will.deacon@....com, elena.reshetova@...el.com, arnd@...db.de,
        tglx@...utronix.de, mingo@...nel.org, hpa@...or.com,
        dave@...gbits.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 7/7] kref: Implement using refcount_t

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 10:28:00AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:19:09PM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 02:01:54PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 08:33:37PM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > > > Hi Peter,
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 06:39:53PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > > +/*
> > > > > + * Similar to atomic_dec_and_test(), it will BUG on underflow and fail to
> > > > > + * decrement when saturated at UINT_MAX.
> > > > > + *
> > > > > + * Provides release memory ordering, such that prior loads and stores are done
> > > > > + * before a subsequent free.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not sure this is correct, the RELEASE semantics is for the STORE
> > > > part of cmpxchg, and semantically it will guarantee that memory
> > > > operations after cmpxchg won't be reordered upwards, for example, on
> > > > ARM64, the following code:
> > > > 
> > > > 	WRITE_ONCE(x, 1)
> > > > 	
> > > > 	atomic_cmpxchg_release(&a, 1, 2);
> > > > 	  r1 = ll(&a)
> > > > 	  if (r1 == 1) {
> > > > 	    sc_release(&a, 2);
> > > > 	  }
> > > > 	
> > > > 	free()
> > > > 
> > > > could be reordered as, I think:
> > > > 
> > > > 	atomic_cmpxchg_release(&a, 1, 2);
> > > > 	  r1 = ll(&a)
> > > > 	  if (r1 == 1) {
> > > > 	    free()
> > > > 	    WRITE_ONCE(x, 1)
> > > > 	    sc_release(&a, 2);
> > > > 	  }
> > > > 
> > > > Of course, we need to wait for Will to confirm about this. But if this
> > > > could happen, we'd better to use a smp_mb()+atomic_cmpxchg_relaxed()
> > > > here and for other refcount_dec_and_*().
> > > 
> > > Can't happen I think because of the control dependency between
> > > dec_and_test() and free().
> > > 
> > > That is, the cmpxchg_release() must complete to determine if it was
> > > successful or it needs a retry. The success, combined with the state of
> > > the variable will then determine if we call free().
> > > 
> > 
> > The thing is that determination of the variable's state(i.e.
> > store_release() succeeds) and the actual writeback to memory are two
> > separate events. So yes, free() won't execute before store_release()
> > commits successfully, but there is no barrier here to order the memory
> > effects of store_release() and free().
> 
> Doesn't matter. If we dropped the refcount to 0, nobody else will be
> observing this memory anymore (unless ill-formed program). The only
> thing we need is that the free() will not be speculated.
> 
> This is because all RmW on a specific variable, irrespective of their
> memory ordering on other loads/stores, are totally ordered against one
> another.
> 

Fair enough ;-)

> > But as I said, we actually only need the pairing of orderings:
> > 
> > 1) load part of cmpxchg -> free() 
> > 2) object accesses -> store part of cmpxchg
> > 
> > Ordering #1 can be achieved via control dependency as you pointed out
> > that free()s very much includes stores. And ordering #2 can be achieved
> > with RELEASE.
> > 
> > So the code is right, I just thought the comment may be misleading. The
> > reason we use cmpxchg_release() is just for achieving ordering #2, and
> > not to order "prior loads and stores" with "a subsequent free".
> > 
> > Am I missing some subtle orderings here?
> 
> I would want to further quality 1), it must be no earlier than the load
> of the last / successful ll/sc round.
> 

Great, that's more accurate!

> At that point we're guaranteed a reference count of 1 that _will_ drop
> to 0, and thus nobody else (should) reference that memory anymore.
> 
> If we agree on this, I'll update the comment :-) Will, do you too agree?

Agreed ;-)

Control dependencies and RELEASE are totally enough for the internal
correctness of refcount_t along with its interactivity with free().
People better not reply order guarantees other than this ;-)

Regards,
Boqun

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