linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] cpufreq: schedutil: add up/down frequency transition rate limits

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Message-ID: <20161121164605.GJ3092@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>
Date:   Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:46:05 +0100
From:   Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To:     Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@....com>
Cc:     Juri Lelli <Juri.Lelli@....com>,
        Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@...aro.org>,
        Rafael Wysocki <rjw@...ysocki.net>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, linaro-kernel@...ts.linaro.org,
        linux-pm@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>,
        Robin Randhawa <robin.randhawa@....com>,
        Steve Muckle <smuckle.linux@...il.com>, tkjos@...gle.com,
        Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] cpufreq: schedutil: add up/down frequency transition
 rate limits

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 04:24:24PM +0000, Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> On 21-Nov 16:26, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> > In any case, worth trying, see what happens.
> 
> Are you saying that you would like to see the code which implements a
> more generic version of the peak_util "filter" on top of PELT?

Not sure about peak_util, I was more thinking of an IIR/PID filter, as
per the email thread referenced below. Doesn't make sense to hide that
in intel_pstate if it appears to be universally useful etc.. 

> IMO it could be a good exercise now that we agree we want to improve
> PELT without replacing it.

I think it would make sense to keep it inside sched_cpufreq for now.

> > > For example, a task running 30 [ms] every 100 [ms] is a ~300 util_avg
> > > task. With PELT, we get a signal which range between [120,550] with an
> > > average of ~300 which is instead completely ignored. By capping the
> > > decay we will get:
> > > 
> > >    decay_cap [ms]      range    average
> > >                 0      120:550     300
> > >                64      140:560     310
> > >                32      320:660     430
> > > 
> > > which means that still the raw PELT signal is wobbling and never
> > > provides a consistent response to drive decisions.
> > > 
> > > Thus, a "predictor" should be something which sample information from
> > > PELT to provide a more consistent view, a sort of of low-pass filter
> > > on top of the "dynamic metric" which is PELT.
> > > 
> > > Should not such a "predictor" help on solving some of the issues
> > > related to PELT slow ramp-up or fast ramp-down?
> > 
> > I think intel_pstate recently added a local PID filter, I asked at the
> > time if something like that should live in generic code, looks like
> > maybe it should.
> 
> That PID filter is not "just" a software implementation of the ACPI's
> Collaborative Processor Performance Control (CPPC) when HWP hardware
> is not provided by a certain processor?

I think it was this thread:

  http://lkml.kernel.org/r/1572483.RZjvRFdxPx@vostro.rjw.lan

It never really made sense such a filter should live in individual
drivers.