linux-kernel - Re: Enabling peer to peer device transactions for PCIe devices

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <CAKMK7uGoXAYoazyGLbGU7svVD10WmaBtpko8BpHeNpRhST8F7g@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 22 Nov 2016 21:10:43 +0100
From:   Daniel Vetter <daniel@...ll.ch>
To:     Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
Cc:     Serguei Sagalovitch <serguei.sagalovitch@....com>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
        "linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org>,
        "linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-pci@...r.kernel.org" <linux-pci@...r.kernel.org>,
        "Kuehling, Felix" <Felix.Kuehling@....com>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org" <dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org>,
        "Koenig, Christian" <Christian.Koenig@....com>,
        "Sander, Ben" <ben.sander@....com>,
        "Suthikulpanit, Suravee" <Suravee.Suthikulpanit@....com>,
        "Deucher, Alexander" <Alexander.Deucher@....com>,
        "Blinzer, Paul" <Paul.Blinzer@....com>,
        "Linux-media@...r.kernel.org" <Linux-media@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Enabling peer to peer device transactions for PCIe devices

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Serguei Sagalovitch
> <serguei.sagalovitch@....com> wrote:
>> I personally like "device-DAX" idea but my concerns are:
>>
>> -  How well it will co-exists with the  DRM infrastructure / implementations
>>    in part dealing with CPU pointers?
>
> Inside the kernel a device-DAX range is "just memory" in the sense
> that you can perform pfn_to_page() on it and issue I/O, but the vma is
> not migratable. To be honest I do not know how well that co-exists
> with drm infrastructure.
>
>> -  How well we will be able to handle case when we need to "move"/"evict"
>>    memory/data to the new location so CPU pointer should point to the new
>> physical location/address
>>     (and may be not in PCI device memory at all)?
>
> So, device-DAX deliberately avoids support for in-kernel migration or
> overcommit. Those cases are left to the core mm or drm. The device-dax
> interface is for cases where all that is needed is a direct-mapping to
> a statically-allocated physical-address range be it persistent memory
> or some other special reserved memory range.

For some of the fancy use-cases (e.g. to be comparable to what HMM can
pull off) I think we want all the magic in core mm, i.e. migration and
overcommit. At least that seems to be the very strong drive in all
general-purpose gpu abstractions and implementations, where memory is
allocated with malloc, and then mapped/moved into vram/gpu address
space through some magic, but still visible on both the cpu and gpu
side in some form. Special device to allocate memory, and not being
able to migrate stuff around sound like misfeatures from that pov.
-Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
+41 (0) 79 365 57 48 - http://blog.ffwll.ch