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Date:   Thu, 8 Dec 2016 10:03:06 -0600
From:   Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org>
To:     Benjamin Tissoires <benjamin.tissoires@...hat.com>
Cc:     Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org>,
        Brian Norris <briannorris@...omium.org>,
        Jiri Kosina <jikos@...nel.org>,
        Caesar Wang <wxt@...k-chips.com>,
        "open list:ARM/Rockchip SoC..." <linux-rockchip@...ts.infradead.org>,
        "linux-input@...r.kernel.org" <linux-input@...r.kernel.org>,
        "devicetree@...r.kernel.org" <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@...il.com>,
        Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] devicetree: i2c-hid: Add Wacom digitizer +
 regulator support

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Benjamin Tissoires
<benjamin.tissoires@...hat.com> wrote:
> On Dec 06 2016 or thereabouts, Doug Anderson wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:48 AM, Benjamin Tissoires
>> > <benjamin.tissoires@...hat.com> wrote:
>> >> On Dec 05 2016 or thereabouts, Rob Herring wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 09:24:50AM -0800, Brian Norris wrote:
>> >>> > Hi Benjamin and Rob,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 03:34:34PM +0100, Benjamin Tissoires wrote:
>> >>> > > On Nov 30 2016 or thereabouts, Brian Norris wrote:
>> >>> > > > From: Caesar Wang <wxt@...k-chips.com>
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > Add a compatible string and regulator property for Wacom W9103
>> >>> > > > digitizer. Its VDD supply may need to be enabled before using it.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > Signed-off-by: Caesar Wang <wxt@...k-chips.com>
>> >>> > > > Cc: Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>
>> >>> > > > Cc: Jiri Kosina <jikos@...nel.org>
>> >>> > > > Cc: linux-input@...r.kernel.org
>> >>> > > > Signed-off-by: Brian Norris <briannorris@...omium.org>
>> >>> > > > ---
>> >>> > > > v1 was a few months back. I finally got around to rewriting it based on
>> >>> > > > DT binding feedback.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > v2:
>> >>> > > >  * add compatible property for wacom
>> >>> > > >  * name the regulator property specifically (VDD)
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >  Documentation/devicetree/bindings/input/hid-over-i2c.txt | 6 +++++-
>> >>> > > >  1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/input/hid-over-i2c.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/input/hid-over-i2c.txt
>> >>> > > > index 488edcb264c4..eb98054e60c9 100644
>> >>> > > > --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/input/hid-over-i2c.txt
>> >>> > > > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/input/hid-over-i2c.txt
>> >>> > > > @@ -11,12 +11,16 @@ If this binding is used, the kernel module i2c-hid will handle the communication
>> >>> > > >  with the device and the generic hid core layer will handle the protocol.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >  Required properties:
>> >>> > > > -- compatible: must be "hid-over-i2c"
>> >>> > > > +- compatible: must be "hid-over-i2c", or a device-specific string like:
>> >>> > > > +    * "wacom,w9013"
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > NACK on this one.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > After re-reading the v1 submission I realized Rob asked for this change,
>> >>> > > but I strongly disagree.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > HID over I2C is a generic protocol, in the same way HID over USB is. We
>> >>> > > can not start adding device specifics here, this is opening the can of
>> >>> > > worms. If the device is a HID one, nothing else should matter. The rest
>> >>> > > (description of the device, name, etc...) is all provided by the
>> >>> > > protocol.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I should have spoken up when Rob made the suggestion, because I more or
>> >>> > less agree with Benjamin here. I don't really see why this needs to have
>> >>> > a specialized compatible string, as the property is still fairly
>> >>> > generic, and the entire device handling is via a generic protocol. The
>> >>> > fact that we manage its power via a regulator is not very
>> >>> > device-specific.
>> >>>
>> >>> It doesn't matter that the protocol is generic. The device attached and
>> >>> the implementation is not. Implementations have been known to have
>> >>> bugs/quirks (generally speaking, not HID over I2C in particular). There
>> >>> are also things outside the scope of what is 'hid-over-i2c' like what's
>> >>> needed to power-on the device which this patch clearly show.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, there are bugs, quirks, even with HID. But the HID declares within
>> >> the protocol the Vendor ID and the Product ID, which means once we pass
>> >> the initial "device is ready" step and can do a single i2c write/read,
>> >> we don't give a crap about device tree anymore.
>> >>
>> >> This is just about setting the device in shape so that it can answer a
>> >> single write/read.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> This is no different than a panel attached via LVDS, eDP, etc., or
>> >>> USB/PCIe device hard-wired on a board. They all use standard protocols
>> >>> and all need additional data to describe them. Of course, adding a
>> >>> single property for a delay would not be a big deal, but it's never
>> >>> ending. Next you need multiple supplies, GPIO controls, mutiple
>> >>> delays... This has been discussed to death already. As Thierry Reding
>> >>> said, you're not special[1].
>> >>
>> >> I can somewhat understand what you mean. The official specification is
>> >> for ACPI. And ACPI allows to calls various settings while querying the
>> >> _STA method for instance. So in the ACPI world, we don't need to care
>> >> about regulators or GPIOs because the OEM deals with this in its own
>> >> blob.
>> >>
>> >> Now, coming back to our issue. We are not special, maybe, if he says so.
>> >> But this really feels like a design choice between putting the burden on
>> >> device tree and OEMs or in the module maintainers. And I'd rather have
>> >> the OEM deal with their device than me having to update the module for
>> >> each generations of hardware. Indeed, this looks like an "endless"
>> >> amount of quirks, but I'd rather have this endless amount of quirks than
>> >> having to maintain an endless amount of list of new devices that behaves
>> >> the same way. We are talking here about "wacom,w9013", but then comes
>> >> "wacom,w9014" and we need to upgrade the kernel.
>> >
>> > No. If the w9014 can claim compatibility with then w9013, then you
>> > don't need a kernel change. The DT should list the w9014 AND w9013,
>> > but the kernel only needs to know about the w9013. That is until there
>> > is some difference which is why the DT should list w9014 to start
>> > with.
>> >
>> > If you don't have any power control to deal with, then the kernel can
>> > always just match on "hid-over-i2c" compatible.
>>
>> Just my $0.02.  Feel free to ignore.
>>
>> One thought is that I would say that the need to power on the device
>> explicitly seems more like a board level difference and less like a
>> difference associated with a particular digitizer.  Said another way,
>> it seems likely there will be boards with a w9013 without explicit
>> control of the regulator in software and it seems like there will be
>> boards with other digitizers where suddenly a new board will come out
>> that needs explicit control of the regulator.
>>
>> In this particular case I feel like we can draw a lot of parallels to
>> an SDIO bus.
>>
>> When you specify an SDIO bus you don't specify what kind of card will
>> be present, you just say "I've got an SDIO bus" and then the specific
>> device underneath is probed.  Here we've say "I've got an i2c
>> connection intended for HID" and then you probe for the HID device
>> that's on the connection.
>>
>> Also for an SDIO bus, you've possibly got a regulators / GPIOs /
>> resets that need to be controlled, but the specific details of these
>> regulator / GPIOs / resets are specific to a given board and not
>> necessarily a given SDIO device.
>>
>
> Thanks Doug for this. I had the feeling this wasn't right, but you
> actually managed to put the words on it. If it's a board problem (if
> you switch the wacom device with an other HID over I2C device and you
> still need the same regulator/timing parameters), then this should
> simply be mentioned on the patch.
>
> So Brian, could you please respin the series and remve the Wacom
> mentions and explain that it is required for the board itself?

In advance, NAK.

This is not how DT works. Either this binding needs a Wacom compatible
or don't use DT.

Rob

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