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Message-ID: <CALCETrVhuszdsfayLrBBkSzJ+A3m+hJjdZQWDj9FOg+2UB_ZBw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:19:49 -0800
From:   Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:     Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>
Cc:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>, Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org>,
        "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>,
        Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@...essinduktion.org>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@...il.com>,
        Tom Herbert <tom@...bertland.com>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 7/8] net: Rename TCA*BPF_DIGEST to ..._SHA256

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 1:09 AM, Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net> wrote:
> Hi Andy,
>
> On 01/11/2017 04:11 AM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 01/11/2017 12:24 AM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This makes it easier to add another digest algorithm down the road if
>>>> needed.  It also serves to force any programs that might have been
>>>> written against a kernel that had the old field name to notice the
>>>> change and make any necessary changes.
>>>>
>>>> This shouldn't violate any stable API policies, as no released kernel
>>>> has ever had TCA*BPF_DIGEST.
>>>
>>>
>>> Imho, this and patch 6/8 is not really needed. Should there ever
>>> another digest alg be used (doubt it), then you'd need a new nl
>>> attribute and fdinfo line anyway to keep existing stuff intact.
>>> Nobody made the claim that you can just change this underneath
>>> and not respecting abi for existing applications when I read from
>>> above that such apps now will get "forced" to notice a change.
>>
>>
>> Fair enough.  I was more concerned about prerelease iproute2 versions,
>> but maybe that's a nonissue.  I'll drop these two patches.
>
>
> Ok. Sleeping over this a bit, how about a general rename into
> "prog_tag" for fdinfo and TCA_BPF_TAG resp. TCA_ACT_BPF_TAG for
> the netlink attributes, fwiw, it might reduce any assumptions on
> this being made? If this would be preferable, I could cook that
> patch against -net for renaming it?

That would be fine with me.

I think there are two reasonable approaches to computing the actual tag.

1. Use a standard, modern cryptographic hash.  SHA-256, SHA-512,
Blake2b, whatever.  SHA-1 is a bad choice in part because it's partly
broken and in part because the implementation in lib/ is a real mess
to use (as you noticed while writing the code).

2. Use whatever algorithm you like but make the tag so short that it's
obviously not collision-free.  48 or 64 bits is probably reasonable.

The intermediate versions are just asking for trouble.  Alexei wants
to make the tag shorter, but I admit I still don't understand why he
prefers that over using a better crypto hash and letting user code
truncate the tag if it wants.