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Date:   Thu, 19 Jan 2017 17:54:32 +0100
From:   "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@...nel.org>
To:     Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/3] firmware: add new extensible firmware API -
 drvdata

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 12:36:52PM +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 07:02:42AM -0800, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> 
> I think this changelog novel is longer than the documentation you added
> to the kernel :(

Heh, OK will work on that.

> > --- /dev/null
> > +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/drvdata.rst
> > @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@
> > +===========
> > +drvdata API
> 
> Here kid, have a few vowels, we have plenty...
> 
> Please spell this out "driver_data", there's no need to shorten it for
> no reason at all except to confuse people / non-native speakers for a
> while before they figure it out.

Sure thing'o.

> > +===========
> > +
> > +As the kernel evolves we keep extending the firmware_class set of APIs
> > +with more or less arguments, this creates a slew of collateral evolutions.
> 
> Why is this sentance here?

Hm yeah it was not clear I was trying to explain *why* we ended up implementing
a flexible API. Will work on that.

> > +The set of users of firmware request APIs has also grown now to include
> > +users which are not looking for "firmware" per se, but instead general
> > +driver data files which for one reason or another has been decided to be
> > +kept oustide of the kernel, and/or to allow dynamic updates. The driver data
> > +request set of APIs addresses rebranding of firmware as generic driver data
> > +files, and provides a way to enable these APIs to easily be extended without
> > +much collateral evolutions.
> > +
> > +Driver data modes of operation
> > +==============================
> > +
> > +There are only two types of modes of operation for system data requests:
> > +
> > +  * synchronous  - drvdata_request()
> > +  * asynchronous - drvdata_request_async()
> > +
> > +Synchronous requests expect requests to be done immediately, asynchronous
> > +requests enable requests to be scheduled for a later time.
> > +
> > +Driver data request parameters
> > +==============================
> > +
> > +Variations of types of driver data requests are specified by a driver data
> > +request parameter data structure. This data structure can grow as with new
> > +fields as requirements grow. The old firmware API provides two synchronous
> > +requests: request_firmware() and request_firmware_direct(), the later allowing
> > +the caller to specify that the "driver data file" is optional.  The driver data
> > +request API allows a caller to set the optional nature of the driver data
> > +on the request parameter data structure using the same synchronous API. Since
> > +this requirement is part of the request paramter data structure it also allows
> > +asynchronous requests to specify that the driver data is optional.
> > +
> > +Reference counting and releasing the system data file
> > +=====================================================
> > +
> > +As with the old firmware API both the device and module are bumped with
> > +reference counts during the driver data requests. This prevents removal
> > +of the device and module making the driver data request call until the
> > +driver data request callbacks have completed, either synchronously or
> > +asynchronously.
> > +
> > +The old firmware APIs refcounted the firmware_class module for synchronous
> > +requests, meanwhile asynchronous requests refcounted the caller's module.
> > +The driver data request API currently mimic this behaviour, for synchronous
> > +requests the firmware_class module is refcounted through the use of
> > +dfl_sync_reqs, although if in the future we may later enable use of
> > +also refcounting the caller's module as well. Likewise in the future we
> > +may extend asynchronous calls to refcount the firmware_class module.
> > +
> > +Typical use of the old synchronous firmware APIs consist of the caller
> > +requesting for "driver data", consuming it after a request and finally
> > +freeing it. Typical asynchronous use of the old firmware APIs consist of
> > +the caller requesting for "driver data" and then finally freeing it on
> > +asynchronous callback.
> > +
> > +The driver data request API enables callers to provide a callback for both
> > +synchronous and asynchronous requests and since consumption can be expected
> > +in these callbacks it frees it for you by default after callback handlers
> > +are issued. If you wish to keep the driver data around after your callbacks
> > +you must specify this through the driver data request paramter data structure.
> > +
> > +Async cookies, replacing completions
> > +====================================
> > +
> > +With this new API you do not need to declare and use your own completions, you
> 
> It's not going to be "new" in a year, are you going to go and change the
> documentation here?

Will fix.

> And if you want to provide a "how to convert from firmware to
> driver_data" document, great, but to constantly compare the two seems a
> bit like you are trying too hard.  It should stand on it's own without
> needing to do that.

Sure.

> > +can replace your completions with drvdata_synchronize_request() using the
> > +async_cookie set for you by drvdata_file_request_async(). When
> > +drvdata_file_request_async() completes you can rest assured all the work for
> > +both triggering, and processing the drvdata using any of your callbacks has
> > +completed.
> > +
> > +Fallback mechanisms on the driver data API
> > +==========================================
> > +
> > +The old firmware API provided support for a series of fallback mechanisms. The
> > +new driver data API abandons all current notions of the fallback mechanisms,
> > +it may soon add support for one though.
> 
> Oh come on, is this paragraph really needed at all?  "soon"?  Hah.

As recent fixes for the fallback mechanism show the fallback mechanism
is pretty hairy. I want to clean up all that mess, add respective test
units for it. There are also some more longer term things to consider
which I'd like to address as well, for instance the firmware code is the
only code using the general UMH lock, although it was originally added
to help warn for firmware APi uses on suspend/resume the firmware cache
mechanism now helps resolve the issues -- the only case which cannot take
advantage of this is the custom fallback mechanism. One also needs to
consider if the UMH lock or a replacement should be considered for other
kernel UMH. A related effort here which can also help is a kernel
functionality to help address races with block devices freeze_super() can be
used to queue superblock filesystem operations. Getting this resolved
(as discussed at kernel summit by Jiri) could help resolve some of the corner
case suspend/resume race concerns for to help replace the lock for the
old API (custom fallback mechanism).

There are *real* more practical races on init which we will be able to soon
fix with the new firmwared effort by Daniel Wagner and Tom Gunderson. Once
most of this is lined up I'd feel much more comfortable with a fallback
mechanism.

I really am trying hard to make that fallback mechanism *work* fine, right now
its just hairballs. More patches to follow up to help with that..

> > +Two APIs
> > +========
> > +
> > +Two APIs are provided for firmware:
> > +
> > +* request_firmware API - old firmware API
> > +* drvdata API - new flexible API
> 
> "new" isn't "new" in a few months.

Will fix.

  Luis

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