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Date:   Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:08:54 -0800 (PST)
From:   Shivappa Vikas <vikas.shivappa@...el.com>
To:     David Carrillo-Cisneros <davidcc@...gle.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/12] Cqm2: Intel Cache quality monitoring fixes



On Fri, 20 Jan 2017, David Carrillo-Cisneros wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 5:29 AM Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 19 Jan 2017, David Carrillo-Cisneros wrote:
>>>
>>> If resctrl groups could lift the restriction of one resctl per CLOSID,
>>> then the user can create many resctrl in the way perf cgroups are
>>> created now. The advantage is that there wont be cgroup hierarchy!
>>> making things much simpler. Also no need to optimize perf event
>>> context switch to make llc_occupancy work.
>>
>> So if I understand you correctly, then you want a mechanism to have groups
>> of entities (tasks, cpus) and associate them to a particular resource
>> control group.
>>
>> So they share the CLOSID of the control group and each entity group can
>> have its own RMID.
>>
>> Now you want to be able to move the entity groups around between control
>> groups without losing the RMID associated to the entity group.
>>
>> So the whole picture would look like this:
>>
>> rdt ->  CTRLGRP -> CLOSID
>>
>> mon ->  MONGRP  -> RMID
>>
>> And you want to move MONGRP from one CTRLGRP to another.
>
> Almost, but not quite. My idea is no have MONGRP and CTRLGRP to be the
> same thing. Details below.
>
>>
>> Can you please write up in a abstract way what the design requirements are
>> that you need. So far we are talking about implementation details and
>> unspecfied wishlists, but what we really need is an abstract requirement.
>
> My pleasure:
>
>
> Design Proposal for Monitoring of RDT Allocation Groups.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Currently each CTRLGRP has a unique CLOSID and a (most likely) unique
> cache bitmask (CBM) per resource. Non-unique CBM are possible although
> useless. An unique CLOSID forbids more CTRLGRPs than physical CLOSIDs.
> CLOSIDs are much more scarce than RMIDs.
>
> If we lift the condition of unique CLOSID, then the user can create
> multiple CTRLGRPs with the same schemata. Internally, those CTRCGRP
> would share the CLOSID and RDT_Allocation must maintain the schemata
> to CLOSID relationship (similarly to what the previous CAT driver used
> to do). Elements in CTRLGRP.tasks and CTRLGRP.cpus behave the same as
> now: adding an element removes it from its previous CTRLGRP.
>
>
> This change would allow further partitioning the allocation groups
> into (allocation, monitoring) groups as follows:
>
> With allocation only:
>            CTRLGRP0     CTRLGRP_ALLOC_ONLY
> schemata:  L3:0=0xff0       L3:0=x00f
> tasks:       PID0       P0_0,P0_1,P1_0,P1_1
> cpus:        0x3                0xC

Not clear what the PID0 and P0_0 mean ?

If you have to support something like MONGRP and CTRLGRP overall 
you want to allow for a task to be present in multiple groups ?

>
> If we want to monitor (P0_0,P0_1), (P1_0,P1_1) and CPUs 0xC
> independently, with the new model we could create:
>            CTRLGRP0     CTRLGRP1     CTRLGRP2        CTRLGRP3
> schemata:  L3:0=0xff0   L3:0=x00f    L3:0=0x00f     L3:0=0x00f
> tasks:       PID0         <none>      P0_0,P0_1     P1_0, P1_1
> cpus:        0x3           0xC          0x0             0x0
>
> Internally, CTRLGRP1, CTRLGRP2, and CTRLGRP2 would share the CLOSID for (L3,0).
>
>
> Now we can ask perf to monitor any of the CTRLGRPs independently -once
> we solve how to pass to perf what (CTRLGRP, resource_id) to monitor-.
> The perf_event will reserve and assign the RMID to the monitored
> CTRLGRP. The RDT subsystem will context switch the whole PQR_ASSOC MSR
> (CLOSID and RMID), so perf won't have to.

This can be solved by suporting just the -t in perf and a new option in perf to 
suport resctrl group monitoring (something similar to -R). That way we provide 
the flexible granularity to monitor tasks 
independent of whether they are in any resctrl group (and hence also a subset).

CTRLGRP		TASKS		MASK
CTRLGRP1	PID1,PID2	L3:0=0Xf,1=0xf0
CTRLGRP2	PID3,PID4	L3:0=0Xf0,1=0xf00

#perf stat -e llc_occupancy -R CTRLGRP1

#perf stat -e llc_occupancy -t PID3,PID4

The RMID allocation is independent of resctrl CLOSid allocation and hence the 
RMID is not always married to CLOS which seems like the requirement here.

OR

We could have CTRLGRPs with control_only, monitor_only or control_monitor 
options.

now a task could be present in both control_only and monitor_only
group or it could be present only in a control_monitor_group. The transitions 
from one state to another are guarded by this same principle.

CTRLGRP		TASKS		MASK			TYPE
CTRLGRP1	PID1,PID2	L3:0=0Xf,1=0xf0		control_only
CTRLGRP2	PID3,PID4	L3:0=0Xf0,1=0xf00	control_only
CTRLGRP3	PID2,PID3				monitor_only
CTRLGRP4	PID5,PID6	L3:0=0Xf0,1=0xf00	control_monitor

CTRLGRP3 allows you to monitor a set of tasks which is not bound to be in the 
same CTRLGRP and you can add or move tasks into this. The adding and removing 
the tasks is whats easily supported compared to the task granularity although 
such a thing could still be supported with the task granularity.

CTRLGRP4 allows you to tie the monitor and control together so when tasks move 
in and out of this we still have that group to consider. And these groups still 
retain the cpu masks like before so that cpu monitoring is still supported.

In this case we would need a new option to support the ctrlgrp monitoring in 
perf or a new tool to do all this if we dont want to bother perf.

>
> If CTRLGRP's schemata changes, the RDT subsystem will find a new
> CLOSID for the new schemata (potentially reusing an existing one) or
> fail (just like the old CAT used to). The RMID does not change during
> schemata updates.
>
> If a CTRLGRP dies, the monitoring perf_event continues to exists as a
> useless wraith, just as happens with cgroup events now.
>
> Since CTRLGRPs have no hierarchy. There is no need to handle that in
> the new RDT Monitoring PMU, greatly simplifying it over the previously
> proposed versions.
>
> A breaking change in user observed behavior with respect to the
> existing CQM PMU is that there wouldn't be task events. A task must be
> part of a CTRLGRP and events are created per (CTRLGRP, resource_id)
> pair. If an user wants to monitor a task across multiple resources
> (e.g. l3_occupancy across two packages), she must create one event per
> resource_id and add the two counts.
>
> I see this breaking change as an improvement, since hiding the cache
> topology to user space introduced lots of ugliness and complexity to
> the CQM PMU without improving accuracy over user space adding the
> events.
>
> Implementation ideas:
>
> First idea is to expose one monitoring file per resource in a CTRLGRP,
> so the list of CTRLGRP's files would be: schemata, tasks, cpus,
> monitor_l3_0, monitor_l3_1, ...
>
> the monitor_<resource_id> file descriptor is passed to perf_event_open
> in the way cgroup file descriptors are passed now. All events to the
> same (CTRLGRP,resource_id) share RMID.
>
> The RMID allocation part can either be handled by RDT Allocation or by
> the RDT Monitoring PMU. Either ways, the existence of PMU's
> perf_events allocates/releases the RMID.
>
> Also, since this new design removes hierarchy and task events, it
> allows for a simple solution of the RMID rotation problem. The removal
> of task events eliminates the cgroup vs task event conflict existing
> in the upstream version; it also removes the need to ensure that all
> active packages have RMIDs at the same time that added complexity to
> my version of CQM/CMT. Lastly, the removal of hierarchy removes the
> reliance on cgroups, the complex tree based read, and all the hooks
> and cgroup files that "raped" the cgroup subsystem.

Yes, not sure if the view is same after I sent the implementation details in 
documentation :) (most likely it is).
But the option could be to not support perf_cgroup for cqm and 
support a new option in perf to monitor resctrl groups and tasks (or some other 
options like mongrp)

I am so far inclined to creating a new monitoring interface that way we dont try 
to "rape" the existing perf specifics for this RDT or later RDT quirk/features.

>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>

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