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Date:   Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:15:36 +0100 (CET)
From:   Jiri Kosina <>
To:     Benjamin Tissoires <>
cc:     Dmitry Torokhov <>,
        David Herrmann <>,
        Oliver Neukum <>,
        Jason Gerecke <>,,,
Subject: Re: [PATCH] HID: get rid of HID_QUIRK_NO_INIT_REPORTS

On Thu, 5 Jan 2017, Benjamin Tissoires wrote:

> I don't know what to do about hiddev too. I don't know if we have actual 
> users besides some debugging tools. And hidraw is much better than 
> hiddev, so ideally, I'd like to remove it some way.

First, I'd love to get rid of HID_QUIRK_NO_INIT_REPORTS; I am 
whole-heartedly convinced that initializing reports was a big mistake to 
start with, but changing history is hard :)

Regarding hiddev -- there actually are 'legitimate' non-debug users; for 
example NUT (UPS management software) has been using it last time I 
looked. I am pretty sure there are more.

So we'd rather be careful not to break hiddev by default.

I'll think about your RFC a little bit more.


Jiri Kosina

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