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Date:   Tue, 24 Jan 2017 11:35:08 +0300
From:   Kirill Tkhai <>
To:     Alban Crequy <>
CC:     Andrey Vagin <>,
        "" <>,
        "Eric W. Biederman" <>,
        Cyrill Gorcunov <>,
        Alexander Viro <>,
        Michael Kerrisk-manpages <>,
        Linux API <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] pidns: Expose task pid_ns_for_children to userspace

On 24.01.2017 00:49, Alban Crequy wrote:
> On 14 January 2017 at 15:15, Kirill Tkhai <> wrote:
>> For correct checkpointing/restoring of a task from userspace
>> it's need to know the task's pid_ns_for_children. Currently,
>> there is no a sane way to do that (the only possible trick
>> is to force the task create a new child and to analize the
>> child's /proc/[pid]/ns/pid link, that is performance-stupid).
>> The patch exposes pid_ns_for_children to ns directory
>> in standard way with the name "pid_for_children":
>> ~# ls /proc/5531/ns -l | grep pid
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jan 14 16:38 pid -> pid:[4026531836]
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jan 14 16:38 pid_for_children -> pid:[4026532286]
>> Signed-off-by: Kirill Tkhai <>
> What's happening if a process, after unsharing CLONE_NEWPID, does not
> fork but instead let another process open the new "pid_for_children"
> and then setns()+fork()? Is that other process allowed to create the
> "pid 1" in the new pid namespaces? Is that also allowed if the other
> process lives in a sibling pid namespace? If so, that would break what
> pid_namespaces(7) says:
>     "the parental relationship between processes mirrors the parental
>      relationship between PID namespaces: the parent of a process is
>      either in the same namespace or resides in the immediate parent
>      PID namespace."

You can setns() on a pid_ns only if your active pid_ns is a (grand)parent
for the target pid_ns. So, the situation you described is not possible.
See pidns_install() for the details.

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