linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH] mm: move pcp and lru-pcp drainging into vmstat

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Message-ID: <20170208120354.GI5686@dhcp22.suse.cz>
Date:   Wed, 8 Feb 2017 13:03:55 +0100
From:   Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>
To:     Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>
Cc:     linux-mm@...ck.org, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>,
        Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@...ove.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm: move pcp and lru-pcp drainging into vmstat_wq

On Wed 08-02-17 10:53:34, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 10:09:08PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>
> > 
> > We currently have 2 specific WQ_RECLAIM workqueues. One for updating
> > pcp stats vmstat_wq and one dedicated to drain per cpu lru caches. This
> > seems more than necessary because both can run on a single WQ. Both
> > do not block on locks requiring a memory allocation nor perform any
> > allocations themselves. We will save one rescuer thread this way.
> > 
> 
> True.
> 
> > On the other hand drain_all_pages queues work on the system wq which
> > doesn't have rescuer and so this depend on memory allocation (when all
> > workers are stuck allocating and new ones cannot be created). This is
> > not critical as there should be somebody invoking the OOM killer (e.g.
> > the forking worker) and get the situation unstuck and eventually
> > performs the draining. Quite annoying though. This worker should be
> > using WQ_RECLAIM as well. We can reuse the same one as for lru draining
> > and vmstat.
> > 
> 
> That was still debatable which is why I didn't go that route. The drain
> itself is unlikely to fix anything with the possible exception of high-order
> pages. There are just too many reasons why direct reclaim can return 0
> reclaimed pages making the drain is redundant but I couldn't decide what
> a better alternative would be and more importantly, how to measure it.
> The fact it allocates in that path is currently unfortunate but I couldn't
> convince myself it deserved a dedicated rescuer.

agreed

> I don't object to it being actually moved. I have a slight concern that
> it could somehow starve a vmstat update while frequent drains happen
> during reclaim though which potentially compounds the problem. It could
> be offset by a variety of other factors but if it ever is an issue,
> it'll show up and the paths that really matter check the vmstats
> directly instead of waiting for an update.

vmstat updates can tolared delays, that's we we are using deferable
scheduling in the first place so I am not really worried about that. Any
user which needs a better precision should use *_snapshot API.

> > Suggested-by: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@...ove.SAKURA.ne.jp>
> > Signed-off-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>
> > ---
> > 
> > Hi,
> > Tetsuo has noted that drain_all_pages doesn't use WQ_RECLAIM [1]
> > and asked whether we can move the worker to the vmstat_wq which is
> > WQ_RECLAIM. I think the deadlock he has described shouldn't happen but
> > it would be really better to have the rescuer. I also think that we do
> > not really need 2 or more workqueues and also pull lru draining in.
> > 
> > What do you think? Please note I haven't tested it yet.
> > 
> 
> As an aside, the LRU drain could also avoid a get_online_cpus() which is
> surprisingly heavy handed for an operation that can happen quite
> frequently during compaction or migration. Maybe not enough to make a
> big deal of but it's relatively low hanging fruit.

Yeah, this is sitting on my todo list already, I just didn't give it a
priority.

> The altering of the return value in setup_vmstat was mildly surprising as
> it increases the severity of registering the vmstat callback for memory
> hotplug so maybe split that out and appears unrelated.

not sure I understand. What do you mean?

> It also feels like vmstat is now a misleading name for something that
> handles vmstat, lru drains and per-cpu drains but that's cosmetic.

yeah a better name sounds like a good thing. mm_nonblock_wq?

> Fundamentally I have nothing against the patch.

Thanks for the review. I will sit on it and give it some testing to see
how it behaves and post after I get back from vacation (after 20th)
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs