linux-kernel - Re: [v6 PATCH 00/21] x86: Enable User-Mode Instruction Prevention

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <62427c4e-7ac3-69a7-a677-4c7f459d541e@list.ru>
Date:   Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:05:57 +0300
From:   Stas Sergeev <stsp@...t.ru>
To:     Ricardo Neri <ricardo.neri-calderon@...ux.intel.com>
Cc:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Borislav Petkov <bp@...e.de>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Brian Gerst <brgerst@...il.com>,
        Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@...lanox.com>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
        Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>,
        Liang Z Li <liang.z.li@...el.com>,
        Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@...nel.org>,
        Huang Rui <ray.huang@....com>, Jiri Slaby <jslaby@...e.cz>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
        "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>,
        Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@...driver.com>,
        Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>,
        Chen Yucong <slaoub@...il.com>,
        Alexandre Julliard <julliard@...ehq.org>,
        Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@...el.com>,
        "Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@...el.com>,
        Shuah Khan <shuah@...nel.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        X86 ML <x86@...nel.org>, linux-msdos@...r.kernel.org,
        wine-devel@...ehq.org
Subject: Re: [v6 PATCH 00/21] x86: Enable User-Mode Instruction Prevention

09.03.2017 04:11, Ricardo Neri пишет:
> On Wed, 2017-03-08 at 19:53 +0300, Stas Sergeev wrote:
>> 08.03.2017 19:46, Andy Lutomirski пишет:
>>>> No no, since I meant prot mode, this is not what I need.
>>>> I would never need to disable UMIP as to allow the
>>>> prot mode apps to do SLDT. Instead it would be good
>>>> to have an ability to provide a replacement for the dummy
>>>> emulation that is currently being proposed for kernel.
>>>> All is needed for this, is just to deliver a SIGSEGV.
>>> That's what I meant.  Turning off FIXUP_UMIP would leave UMIP on but
>>> turn off the fixup, so you'd get a SIGSEGV indicating #GP (or a vm86
>>> GP exit).
>> But then I am confused with the word "compat" in
>> your "COMPAT_MASK0_X86_UMIP_FIXUP" and
>> "sys_adjust_compat_mask(int op, int word, u32 mask);"
>>
>> Leaving UMIP on and only disabling a fixup doesn't
>> sound like a compat option to me. I would expect
>> compat to disable it completely.
> I guess that the _UMIP_FIXUP part makes it clear that emulation, not
> UMIP is disabled, allowing the SIGSEGV be delivered to the user space
> program.
>
> Would having a COMPAT_MASK0_X86_UMIP_FIXUP to disable emulation and a
> COMPAT_MASK0_X86_UMIP to disable UMIP make sense?
>
> Also, wouldn't having a COMPAT_MASK0_X86_UMIP to disable UMIP defeat its
> purpose? Applications could simply use this compat mask to bypass UMIP
> and gain access to the instructions it protects.
I don't think someone will want to completely disable
UMIP, so why do you need such functionality?
My question was only what does "compat" mean
in "COMPAT_MASK0_X86_UMIP_FIXUP", compat with what.