linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v4 29/36] media: imx: mipi-csi2: enable setting and getting of frame rates

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Message-ID: <20170313210751.GN21222@n2100.armlinux.org.uk>
Date:   Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:07:51 +0000
From:   Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@...linux.org.uk>
To:     Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@....fi>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 29/36] media: imx: mipi-csi2: enable setting and
 getting of frame rates

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 10:56:46PM +0200, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> Hi Russell,
> 
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 01:27:02PM +0000, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 03:16:48PM +0200, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> > > The vast majority of existing drivers do not implement them nor the user
> > > space expects having to set them. Making that mandatory would break existing
> > > user space.
> > > 
> > > In addition, that does not belong to link validation either: link validation
> > > should only include static properties of the link that are required for
> > > correct hardware operation. Frame rate is not such property: hardware that
> > > supports the MC interface generally does not recognise such concept (with
> > > the exception of some sensors). Additionally, it is dynamic: the frame rate
> > > can change during streaming, making its validation at streamon time useless.
> > 
> > So how do we configure the CSI, which can do frame skipping?
> > 
> > With what you're proposing, it means it's possible to configure the
> > camera sensor source pad to do 50fps.  Configure the CSI sink pad to
> > an arbitary value, such as 30fps, and configure the CSI source pad to
> > 15fps.
> > 
> > What you actually get out of the CSI is 25fps, which bears very little
> > with the actual values used on the CSI source pad.
> > 
> > You could say "CSI should ask the camera sensor" - well, that's fine
> > if it's immediately downstream, but otherwise we'd need to go walking
> > down the graph to find something that resembles its source - there may
> > be mux and CSI2 interface subdev blocks in that path.  Or we just accept
> > that frame rates are completely arbitary and bear no useful meaning what
> > so ever.
> 
> The user is responsible for configuring the pipeline. It is thus not
> unreasonable to as the user to configure the frame rate as well if there are
> device in the pipeline that can affect the frame rate. The way I proposed to
> implement it is compliant with the existing API and entirely deterministic,
> contrary to what you're saying.

You haven't really addressed my point at all.

What you seem to be saying is that you're quite happy for the situation
(which is a total misconfiguration) to exist.  Given the vapourware of
userspace (which I don't see changing in any kind of reasonable timeline)
I think this is completely absurd.

I'll state clearly now: everything that we've discussed so far, I'm
finding very hard to take anything you've said seriously.  I think we
have very different and incompatible point of views about what is
acceptable from a user point of view, so much so that we're never going
to agree on any point.

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