linux-kernel - Re: [RFC v3 5/5] sched/{core,cpufreq_schedutil}: add capacity clamping for RT/DL tasks

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:   Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:58:38 -0700
From:   Joel Fernandes <joelaf@...gle.com>
To:     Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@....com>
Cc:     Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@....com>,
        "Joel Fernandes (Google)" <joel.opensrc@...il.com>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux PM <linux-pm@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        "Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@...el.com>,
        Andres Oportus <andresoportus@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v3 5/5] sched/{core,cpufreq_schedutil}: add capacity
 clamping for RT/DL tasks

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 5:44 AM, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@....com> wrote:
> On 16/03/17 12:27, Patrick Bellasi wrote:
>> On 16-Mar 11:16, Juri Lelli wrote:
>> > On 15/03/17 16:40, Joel Fernandes wrote:
>> > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@....com> wrote:
>> > > [..]
>> > > >
>> > > >> > However, trying to quickly summarize how that would work (for who is
>> > > >> > already somewhat familiar with reclaiming bits):
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >  - a task utilization contribution is accounted for (at rq level) as
>> > > >> >    soon as it wakes up for the first time in a new period
>> > > >> >  - its contribution is then removed after the 0lag time (or when the
>> > > >> >    task gets throttled)
>> > > >> >  - frequency transitions are triggered accordingly
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > So, I don't see why triggering a go down request after the 0lag time
>> > > >> > expired and quickly reacting to tasks waking up would have create
>> > > >> > problems in your case?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> In my experience, the 'reacting to tasks' bit doesn't work very well.
>> > > >
>> > > > Humm.. but in this case we won't be 'reacting', we will be
>> > > > 'anticipating' tasks' needs, right?
>> > >
>> > > Are you saying we will start ramping frequency before the next
>> > > activation so that we're ready for it?
>> > >
>> >
>> > I'm saying that there is no need to ramp, simply select the frequency
>> > that is needed for a task (or a set of them).
>> >
>> > > If not, it sounds like it will only make the frequency request on the
>> > > next activation when the Active bandwidth increases due to the task
>> > > waking up. By then task has already started to run, right?
>> > >
>> >
>> > When the task is enqueued back we select the frequency considering its
>> > bandwidth request (and the bandwidth/utilization of the others). So,
>> > when it actually starts running it will already have enough capacity to
>> > finish in time.
>>
>> Here we are factoring out the time required to actually switch to the
>> required OPP. I think Joel was referring to this time.
>>

Yes, that's what I meant.

>
> Right. But, this is an HW limitation. It seems a problem that every
> scheduler driven decision will have to take into account. So, doesn't
> make more sense to let the driver (or the governor shim layer) introduce
> some sort of hysteresis to frequency changes if needed?

The problem IMO which Hysterisis in the governor will not help is what
if you had a DL task that is not waking up for several periods and
then wakes up, then for that wake up, we would still be subject to the
HW limitation of time taken to switch to needed OPP. Right?

>> That time cannot really be eliminated but from having faster OOP
>> swiching HW support. Still, jumping strating to the "optimal" OPP
>> instead of rumping up is a big improvement.

Yes I think so.

Thanks,
Joel