Date:   Mon, 3 Apr 2017 12:00:32 -0700
From:   Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@...aro.org>
To:     Jacek Anaszewski <jacek.anaszewski@...il.com>
Cc:     Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>, Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org>,
        Richard Purdie <rpurdie@...ys.net>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-leds@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-arm-msm@...r.kernel.org, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
        devicetree@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] leds: Add driver for Qualcomm LPG

On Fri 31 Mar 02:28 PDT 2017, Jacek Anaszewski wrote:

> Hi Bjorn and Pavel,
> 
> On 03/30/2017 09:43 AM, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> >>>> There is a binding for ti,lp55xx, but there's nothing I can reuse from
> >>>> that binding...because it's completely different hardware.
> >>>
> >>> Agreed, if you drop the pattern stuff from the binding, at least for now. 
> >>
> >> I do not have a strong preference to expose these knobs in devicetree
> >> and I do fear that finding some common "pattern" bindings that suits
> >> everyone will be very difficult.
> >>
> >> So I'll drop them from the binding for now.
> > 
> > Ok.
> > 
> >>> If you want driver merged quickly, I believe the best way would be to
> >>> leave out pattern support for now. We can merge the basic driver
> >>> easily to 4.12.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'm not that much in a hurry and would rather see that we resolve any
> >> outstanding issues with the implementation of the pattern handling.
> > 
> > Ok, good.
> > 
> >> But regardless of this we still have the problem that the typical
> >> Qualcomm PMIC has 8 LPG-blocks and any triple could be driving a
> >> RGB-LED. So we would have to create some sort of in-driver-wrapper
> >> around any three instances exposing them as a single LED to the user.
> > 
> > Yes, I believe we should do the wrapping. In N900 case, 
> > 
> >> I rather expose the individual channels and make sure that when we
> >> trigger a blink operation or enable a pattern (i.e. the two operations
> >> that do require synchronization) we will perform that synchronization
> >> under the hood.
> > 
> > First, we need a way to tell userspace which LEDs are synchronized,
> > because otherwise it will be confusing.
> 
> There is one year old discussion [0] about the possible approaches
> to RGB sub-LEDs synchronization problem and patterns in general.
> My last message with API design proposal has been left unanswered.
> 
> Probably we continue that discussion here.
> 
> Generally Bjorn's drivers touch two yet to be addressed issues:
> - RGB LED support
> - Generic support for patterns
> 
> It is likely that both issues can be solved by utilizing trigger
> mechanism. The possible solution to the problem Bjorn tried to
> address with /sys/class/leds/<led>/pattern comma separated list
> could be a trigger with adjustable number of pattern intervals.
> 
> The trigger once activated would create a directory with the
> number of files corresponding to the number of requested intervals,
> and then user could write an interval value by writing it to the
> corresponding file. Somehow related approach has been implemented
> for USB port LED trigger:
> 
> 0f247626cbbf ('usb: core: Introduce a USB port LED trigger")
> 
> In both RGB and pattern approaches we should assess
> if it is acceptable to provide a pattern for trigger name,
> e.g. blink-pattern-{num_intervals}.
> 
> If so, then "echo transition-pattern-15" would create a directory
> e.g. transition_intervals with files interval_0 to interval_14,
> that could be adjusted by userspace.
> 

Having a RGB-trigger that proxy a accepts a userspace request of a
brightness-tripple and sets the brightness on the individual associated
LEDs sounds reasonable - but should probably be generalized to any
number of LEDs.

A slightly related matter is the question on how to use a single LED for
multiple trigger sources, e.g. how do I get a single LED to show
activity of two MMCs?.


For the patterns I don't know how a trigger for this would look like,
how would setting the pattern of a trigger be propagated down to the
hardware?

> > Second, there are more issues than just patterns with the RGB
> > LED. Most important is ability to set particular colors. You want to
> > set the RGB LED to "white", but that does not mean you can set
> > red=green=blue=1.0. You want color to look the same on LCD and on the
> > LED, which means coefficients for white and some kind of function for
> > brightness-to-PWM conversion.
> 
> Shouldn't we leave that entirely to the userspace? Can we come up
> with coefficients that will guarantee the same result on all existing
> LCD devices?
> 

How about we just force user space perform the 3 writes and save us the
cost of another trigger in that case? Configuring the brightness of 3
LEDs is not board specific - and even with a RGB-interface we still need
to specify which RGB-LED should be controlled.

Regards,
Bjorn

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