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Date:   Mon, 3 Apr 2017 17:07:55 -0700
From:   Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
To:     Logan Gunthorpe <logang@...tatee.com>
Cc:     Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
        Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>,
        Keith Busch <keith.busch@...el.com>,
        "James E.J. Bottomley" <jejb@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        linux-scsi <linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org>,
        "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@...cle.com>,
        "linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org>,
        linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org, linux-pci@...r.kernel.org,
        Steve Wise <swise@...ngridcomputing.com>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-nvme@...ts.infradead.org,
        Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@...idianresearch.com>,
        Max Gurtovoy <maxg@...lanox.com>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>
Subject: Re: [RFC 5/8] scatterlist: Modify SG copy functions to support io memory.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Logan Gunthorpe <logang@...tatee.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 03/04/17 04:47 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
>> I wouldn't necessarily conflate supporting pfn_t in the scatterlist
>> with the stalled stuct-page-less DMA effor. A pfn_t_to_page()
>> conversion will still work and be required. However you're right, the
>> minute we use pfn_t for this we're into the realm of special case
>> drivers that understand scatterlists with special "I/O-pfn_t" entries.
>
> Well yes, it would certainly be possible to convert the scatterlist code
> from page_link to pfn_t. (The only slightly tricky thing is that
> scatterlist uses extra chaining bits and pfn_t uses extra flag bits so
> they'd have to be harmonized somehow). But if we aren't moving toward
> struct-page-less DMA, I fail to see the point of the conversion.
>
> I'll definitely need IO scatterlists of some form or another and I like
> pfn_t but right now it just seems like extra work with unclear benefit.
> (Though, if someone told me that I can't use a third bit in the
> page_link field then maybe that would be a good reason to move to pfn_t.)
>
>> However, maybe that's what we want? I think peer-to-peer DMA is not a
>> general purpose feature unless/until we get it standardized in PCI. So
>> maybe drivers with special case scatterlist support is exactly what we
>> want for now.
>
> Well, I think this should be completely independent from PCI code. I see
> no reason why we can't have infrastructure for DMA on iomem from any
> bus. Largely all the work I've done in this area is completely agnostic
> to the bus in use. (Except for any kind of white/black list when it is
> used.)

The completely agnostic part is where I get worried, but I shouldn't
say anymore until I actually read the patch.The worry is cases where
this agnostic enabling allows unsuspecting code paths to do the wrong
thing. Like bypass iomem safety.

> The "special case scatterlist" is essentially what I'm proposing in the
> patch I sent upthread, it just stores the flag in the page_link instead
> of in a pfn_t.

Makes sense. The suggestion of pfn_t was to try to get more type
safety throughout the stack. So that, again, unsuspecting code paths
that get an I/O pfn aren't able to do things like page_address() or
kmap() without failing.

I'll stop commenting now and set aside some time to go read the patches.

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