linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] drivers/perf: Add support for ARMv8.2 Statistical Profiling Extension

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Date:   Fri, 7 Apr 2017 12:31:07 +0100
From:   Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>
To:     Kim Phillips <kim.phillips@....com>
Cc:     Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
        linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, marc.zyngier@....com,
        alex.bennee@...aro.org, christoffer.dall@...aro.org,
        tglx@...utronix.de, peterz@...radead.org,
        alexander.shishkin@...ux.intel.com, robh@...nel.org,
        suzuki.poulose@....com, pawel.moll@....com,
        mathieu.poirier@...aro.org, mingo@...hat.com,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] drivers/perf: Add support for ARMv8.2 Statistical
 Profiling Extension

Hi Kim,

On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 11:52:41AM +0100, Kim Phillips wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 19:45:04 +0100
> Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 07:33:07PM +0100, Kim Phillips wrote:
> > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 17:18:15 +0100
> > > Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com> wrote:

> > > > +	if ((reg & BIT(PMSFCR_EL1_FL_SHIFT)) &&
> > > > +	    !(spe_pmu->features & SPE_PMU_FEAT_FILT_LAT))
> > > > +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;

> > > Can you please explain why we're not emitting messages to dmesg here?:
> > > 
> > > https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9545979/
> > 
> > The above cases are not (system) errors, and using dev_err (even
> > ratelimited) is certainly not appropriate. These are pr_debug() at best.
> 
> They are driver errors:  the input parameters to the driver were bad,
> and it failed to execute.

This is not a driver error; the user requested something that the driver
does not or cannot support, and the driver responded appropriately and
correctly.

A *_err print is for when something is truly wrong at the system level,
for example if the HW behaves unexpectedly, FW reports something
invalid, or some kernel code invariant has been violated. It is not for
every case where an error code is returned.

> pr_debug - to me at least - should indicate progress during normal
> operation.

Quite frankly, the above is the normal operation of the driver. We don't
pr_err in every syscall path when validating arguments provided by the
user, and this is no different.

> > The dmesg is not always the appropriate place to dump such information,
> > even if it happens to be convenient. As part of usual operation, dmesg
> > should be very quiet, and we don't log messages elsewhere where the user
> > passes some parameter the kernel does not like.
> > 
> > These messages are really only useful to those developing tools (such as
> > yourself).
> 
> We had a customer come back with a simple usage failure because they
> were running a kernel with a different VHE configuration, blindly
> failing the hv exclusion check above.  They had to manually modify the
> driver to find the cause.  So it affects all users, not just me.

I agree that we can and should do something better for regular users. I
disagree that dmesg is the solution.

What we need to do is expose information such that the tool can provide
useful messages at the point of use, which are guaranteed to correspond
to a particular action.

A user may not be aware of dmesg (e.g. if they're SSH'd in they're
unlikely to see it), and cannot match messages to particular actions
when there are multiple applications and/or users. So this doesn't solve
the general case.

> Unless you're implying the above code be duplicated in the perf tool
> somehow?

Some feature probing could be done by the tool. We already do that today
for CPU PMUs. If you take a look at perf_evsel__open, you can see it
automatically determines whether the kernel supports guest exclusion for
CPU PMU events.

We might be able to do something similar by default to cater for the VHE
case you mentioned above.

We could also expose information under sysfs to explicitly tell the tool
what is and is not supported by the driver.

> > There are some cases where they're actively harmful (e.g.
> > when fuzzing).
> 
> I'd expect fuzzer users to be more amenable to manually modifying the
> driver rather than regular users of the driver.

When fuzzing, I take a mainline, defconfig kernel, and run it through
its paces. I don't touch each and every driver.

As above, prints are not the solution for regular users.

Thanks,
Mark.