linux-kernel - Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH RFC v2 1/3] LSM: Allow per LSM module per "struct task

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Message-ID: <065b8eeb-3558-509c-5233-5bacb247e79c@schaufler-ca.com>
Date:   Wed, 12 Apr 2017 13:41:03 -0700
From:   Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com>
To:     Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@...il.com>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
Cc:     Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        "kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com" 
        <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>,
        LSM List <linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
        Dongsu Park <dpark@...teo.net>,
        James Morris <james.l.morris@...cle.com>,
        "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>,
        Paul Moore <paul@...l-moore.com>,
        Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@...ove.sakura.ne.jp>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH RFC v2 1/3] LSM: Allow per LSM
 module per "struct task_struct" blob.

On 4/12/2017 9:22 AM, Djalal Harouni wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@...il.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com> wrote:
>>>> I think that would be the prudent approach. There is still
>>>> the possibility that blob sharing (or full stacking, if you
>>>> prefer) won't be accepted any time soon.
>>> Ok Casey! I will wait for more feedback, and if other maintainers do
>>> not object, I will convert it back to rhashtables in next iterations
>>> making sure that it should be simple to convert later to a blob
>>> sharing mechanism.
>> Would it be possible just to add a single field to task_struct if this
>> LSM is built in? I feel like rhashtables is a huge overhead when a
>> single field is all that's needed.
> Well, yes rhashtables can have an overhead especially when reclaiming
> memory back, I could not identify a way how to separate tables unless
> we use cgroups as an ID. Anyway this of course could be added in
> task_struct and updated to work like the capability security hooks
> rather than a proper LSM with its own name. But as noted in the other
> response, we may need task->security field for Yama anyway. I'm open
> to suggestion ? I may try to converge the task->security blob with
> what Casey is proposing and see! otherwise fallback to task_struct as
> a last resort!
>
> Thanks!

I can present a patch set based on my existing stacking
work that includes the move from module based memory
management to infrastructure memory management but pretty
well stops there. There will be changes to Kconfig to allow
stacking of everything except SELinux and Smack, because
that's the only combination with other conficts. Well,
there's /proc/attr, but I'd include the module specific
subdirectories, too. That would allow landlock to come in
and TOMOYO (and potentially YAMA) to use/share the task
blob. I see this as taking down a barrier rather than
otherwise pointless infrastructure change.