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Date:   Thu, 13 Apr 2017 13:35:59 +0800
From:   Ding Tianhong <dingtianhong@...wei.com>
To:     Gabriele Paoloni <gabriele.paoloni@...wei.com>,
        Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@....com>,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        "Will Deacon" <will.deacon@....com>,
        "linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org" 
        <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
CC:     "alexander.duyck@...il.com" <alexander.duyck@...il.com>,
        maowenan <maowenan@...wei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64: enable ARCH_WANT_RELAX_ORDER for aarch64



On 2017/4/7 23:57, Gabriele Paoloni wrote:
> Hi Robin and all
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: linux-kernel-owner@...r.kernel.org [mailto:linux-kernel-
>> owner@...r.kernel.org] On Behalf Of Robin Murphy
>> Sent: 20 March 2017 14:00
>> To: Dingtianhong; Catalin Marinas; Will Deacon; linux-arm-
>> kernel@...ts.infradead.org; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
>> Cc: alexander.duyck@...il.com; maowenan
>> Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64: enable ARCH_WANT_RELAX_ORDER for aarch64
>>
>> On 14/03/17 14:06, Ding Tianhong wrote:
>>> Hi Robin´╝Ü
>>>
>>> On 2017/3/13 21:31, Robin Murphy wrote:
>>>> On 13/03/17 12:03, Ding Tianhong wrote:
>>>>> The ARCH_WANT_RELAX_ORDER will enable Relaxed Ordering (RO) which
>> allows
>>>>> transactions that do not have any order of completion requirements
>> to
>>>>> complete more efficiently compare to the Stricted Ordering (SO) for
>> ixbge
>>>>> nic card.
>>>>
>>>> Which ixgbe NIC? As far as I can see we have an arch-level config
>> option
>>>> here which applies to one single driver, and doesn't even cover all
>> the
>>>> hardware supported by that driver (82598, for example, still has the
>>>> #ifndef CONFIG_SPARC in the equivalent place). Looking at the
>> history,
>>>> I'd prefer to at least know what the "various issues with certain
>>>> chipsets" were, and why they wouldn't affect ARM systems,  before
>> making
>>>> any judgement about whether this could be considered universally
>> safe
>>>> for arm64.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed, in fact if the chipsets didn't support RO mode or has some
>> errata for RO mode, it may
>>> occur some issues, but it looks no such aarch64 chips, maybe I miss
>> something.
>>>
>>> There are several intel nic card could support enable relax order, so
>> need another patch to rename the SPARC
>>> to ARCH_WANT_RELAX_ORDER, the universal name looks more better.
>>
>> I'm sure I'm not alone in disagreeing outright that it looks better,
>> because ARCH_ is hardly the appropriate namespace for a driver option
>> unrelated to an architecture port's interaction with core kernel code;
>> plus it's further confounded by a name which both doesn't imply any
>> relationship with said driver, and does overlap with the kind of CPU
>> memory model terminology which *is* the purview of architecture ports.
>>
>> As an equivalent example, consider how equally misleading it would be
>> from the ARM maintainer perspective if CONFIG_IOMMU_IO_PGTABLE_LPAE was
>> just called CONFIG_ARCH_WANT_LPAE and implemented in this manner.
>>
>> Having looked into it, I see that "Relaxed Order" does actually turn
>> out
>> to be a specific PCIe term, but even in that context it doesn't apply
>> at
>> the arch level - that's going to be a matter for particular endpoints
>> and particular host controllers and all the quirks in between.
> 
> I fully agree on this and to be honest I don't understand how
> <<commit 1a8b6d76dc5b "net:add one common config ARCH_WANT_RELAX_ORDER
> to support relax ordering">> has landed into mainline...
> 
> 
>>
>>>>> The system will see high write-to-memory performance when RO is
>>>>> enabled on the data transactions just like the SPARC did.
>>>>>
>>>>> The aarch64 pcie controller could both support Relaxed Ordering
>> (RO)
>>>>
>>>> What is "the AArch64 PCIe controller", exactly? Disregarding that
>>>> talking of PCIe in terms of the CPU ISA makes little sense, I can
>> barely
>>>> name two ARMv8-based systems which nominally use the same PCIe IP,
>> and
>>>> the amount of various quirks and incompatibilities I'm aware of
>> leaves
>>>> me with the default assumption that any such unqualified blanket
>>>> statement is probably wrong. I think we need some much more
>> considered
>>>> reasoning here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Agree, till now I could only test on hip06/hip07 board and get the
>> better performance,
>>> maybe I could test on other aarch64 platform.
>>>
>>>>> and Stricted Ordering (SO), so enable ARCH_WANT_RELAX_ORDER for
>> ixgbe
>>>>> nic card to get much more better performance, and didn't see any
>>>>> adverse effects.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nic Card(Ixgbe)			Disable RO	|	Enable RO
>>>>> Performance(Per thread)		8.4Gb/s		|	9.4Gb/s
>>>>>
>>>>> Tested by Iperf on Hip06/Hip07 Soc Board.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Ding Tianhong <dingtianhong@...wei.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>  arch/arm64/Kconfig | 1 +
>>>>>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/arch/arm64/Kconfig b/arch/arm64/Kconfig
>>>>> index 8c7c244..36249a3 100644
>>>>> --- a/arch/arm64/Kconfig
>>>>> +++ b/arch/arm64/Kconfig
>>>>> @@ -115,6 +115,7 @@ config ARM64
>>>>>  	select SPARSE_IRQ
>>>>>  	select SYSCTL_EXCEPTION_TRACE
>>>>>  	select THREAD_INFO_IN_TASK
>>>>> +	select ARCH_WANT_RELAX_ORDER
>>>>
>>>> I'd say the first order of business is to rename this config option
>> to
>>>> IXBGE_82599_WANT_RELAXED_ORDER so that it's not entirely misleading
>> and
>>>
>>> not only for 82599, including 82598, 82576....
>>
>> So why does ixgbe_start_hw_82598() still have the original #ifndef
>> CONFIG_SPARC from 887012e80aea?
>>
>> It was pretty clear from the outset that this is one of those patches
>> for making a particular card go faster in a particular system based on
>> what's available in the test lab - there's nothing inherently wrong
>> with
>> that, but if it were presented merely in those terms there would
>> probably be a lot less to object to.
>>
>>>> ambiguous. At first glance it looks far more like something scary to
>> do
>>>> with memory barriers than a network driver option. Howcome this
>> isn't
>>>> just in drivers/net/intel/Kconfig as a "default y if SPARC" bool
>> anyway?
>>>
>>> didn't see any essential differences, and I still need to get some
>> Acked by arm maintainer.
>>
>> The big difference is that had people done the sensible thing by
>> adding,
>> say, CONFIG_IXGBE_ALLOW_RELAXED_ORDER to drivers/net/intel/... and
>> sending a self-contained patch through the net tree, architecture
>> maintainers wouldn't even need to be aware, let alone ack anything.
>> Then
>> in future if someone sends another patch against the net tree changing
>> "y if (SPARC || ARM64)" back to "y if SPARC" because it happens to
>> break
>> on their system, the resulting discussion and resolution can happen on
>> netdev, and architecture maintainers who aren't necessarily familiar
>> with particular ixgbe/PCIe hardware details *still* don't need to care.
> 
> Standard PCIe drivers uses bit 4 of the Device Control Register to
> enable/disable relaxed ordering: here it is not clear what Intel means
> by relaxed ordering and in which context (at least not to me) and why
> it should be disabled by default.
> 
> From my perspective I would try to propose the following patch as RFC
> and see what the Intel maintainer comes up with and if any other ARM64
> host vendor would oppose to it.
> The RFC below reverts commit 1a8b6d76dc5b and enable relaxed ordering
> on SPARC and ARM64 machines...
> 
> What do you think?
> 

Hi Gab:

Till now I didn't get any useful feedback from the latest version patches,
it is really hard to unify everyone's opinion, I will follow your solution
and send a new version patch, thanks.

Ding

> 
> diff --git a/arch/Kconfig b/arch/Kconfig
> index cd211a1..e03d354 100644
> --- a/arch/Kconfig
> +++ b/arch/Kconfig
> @@ -844,7 +844,4 @@ config STRICT_MODULE_RWX
>  	  and non-text memory will be made non-executable. This provides
>  	  protection against certain security exploits (e.g. writing to text)
>  
> -config ARCH_WANT_RELAX_ORDER
> -	bool
> -
>  source "kernel/gcov/Kconfig"
> diff --git a/arch/sparc/Kconfig b/arch/sparc/Kconfig
> index 68ac5c7..cf4034c 100644
> --- a/arch/sparc/Kconfig
> +++ b/arch/sparc/Kconfig
> @@ -44,7 +44,6 @@ config SPARC
>  	select CPU_NO_EFFICIENT_FFS
>  	select HAVE_ARCH_HARDENED_USERCOPY
>  	select PROVE_LOCKING_SMALL if PROVE_LOCKING
> -	select ARCH_WANT_RELAX_ORDER
>  
>  config SPARC32
>  	def_bool !64BIT
> diff --git a/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/ixgbe/ixgbe_common.c b/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/ixgbe/ixgbe_common.c
> index c38d50c..d55dcac 100644
> --- a/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/ixgbe/ixgbe_common.c
> +++ b/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/ixgbe/ixgbe_common.c
> @@ -350,7 +350,8 @@ s32 ixgbe_start_hw_gen2(struct ixgbe_hw *hw)
>  	}
>  	IXGBE_WRITE_FLUSH(hw);
>  
> -#ifndef CONFIG_ARCH_WANT_RELAX_ORDER
> +#if !defined(CONFIG_SPARC) && !defined(CONFIG_ARM64)
> +
>  	/* Disable relaxed ordering */
>  	for (i = 0; i < hw->mac.max_tx_queues; i++) {
>  		u32 regval;
> 
> 
>>
>> Robin.

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