linux-kernel - Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory

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Date:   Tue, 18 Apr 2017 10:27:47 -0700
From:   Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
To:     Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@...idianresearch.com>
Cc:     Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
        Logan Gunthorpe <logang@...tatee.com>,
        Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>,
        Sagi Grimberg <sagi@...mberg.me>,
        "James E.J. Bottomley" <jejb@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@...cle.com>,
        Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>,
        Steve Wise <swise@...ngridcomputing.com>,
        Stephen Bates <sbates@...thlin.com>,
        Max Gurtovoy <maxg@...lanox.com>,
        Keith Busch <keith.busch@...el.com>, linux-pci@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-scsi <linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-nvme@...ts.infradead.org, linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@...1.01.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Jerome Glisse <jglisse@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Jason Gunthorpe
<jgunthorpe@...idianresearch.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 08:23:16AM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>
>> Thanks :-) There's a reason why I'm insisting on this. We have constant
>> requests for this today. We have hacks in the GPU drivers to do it for
>> GPUs behind a switch, but those are just that, ad-hoc hacks in the
>> drivers. We have similar grossness around the corner with some CAPI
>> NICs trying to DMA to GPUs. I have people trying to use PLX DMA engines
>> to whack nVME devices.
>
> A lot of people feel this way in the RDMA community too. We have had
> vendors shipping out of tree code to enable P2P for RDMA with GPU
> years and years now. :(
>
> Attempts to get things in mainline have always run into the same sort
> of road blocks you've identified in this thread..
>
> FWIW, I read this discussion and it sounds closer to an agreement than
> I've ever seen in the past.
>
> From Ben's comments, I would think that the 'first class' support that
> is needed here is simply a function to return the 'struct device'
> backing a CPU address range.
>
> This is the minimal required information for the arch or IOMMU code
> under the dma ops to figure out the fabric source/dest, compute the
> traffic path, determine if P2P is even possible, what translation
> hardware is crossed, and what DMA address should be used.
>
> If there is going to be more core support for this stuff I think it
> will be under the topic of more robustly describing the fabric to the
> core and core helpers to extract data from the description: eg compute
> the path, check if the path crosses translation, etc
>
> But that isn't really related to P2P, and is probably better left to
> the arch authors to figure out where they need to enhance the existing
> topology data..
>
> I think the key agreement to get out of Logan's series is that P2P DMA
> means:
>  - The BAR will be backed by struct pages
>  - Passing the CPU __iomem address of the BAR to the DMA API is
>    valid and, long term, dma ops providers are expected to fail
>    or return the right DMA address
>  - Mapping BAR memory into userspace and back to the kernel via
>    get_user_pages works transparently, and with the DMA API above
>  - The dma ops provider must be able to tell if source memory is bar
>    mapped and recover the pci device backing the mapping.
>
> At least this is what we'd like in RDMA :)
>
> FWIW, RDMA probably wouldn't want to use a p2mem device either, we
> already have APIs that map BAR memory to user space, and would like to
> keep using them. A 'enable P2P for bar' helper function sounds better
> to me.

...and I think it's not a helper function as much as asking the bus
provider "can these two device dma to each other". The "helper" is the
dma api redirecting through a software-iommu that handles bus address
translation differently than it would handle host memory dma mapping.